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Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#11

Tor is a project I want to like and support, but can’t. I feel (and I have no evidence) that for every 1 person using it to protect their privacy, 20 are using it for despicable purposes. I would love to be proved wrong on this. I don’t want to shut it down, but at the same time I don’t feel I can personally or technically support it.

> despicable purposes

not least; probing those others who want to protect their privacy

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#12

Tor is a project I want to like and support, but can’t. I feel (and I have no evidence) that for every 1 person using it to protect their privacy, 20 are using it for despicable purposes. I would love to be proved wrong on this. I don’t want to shut it down, but at the same time I don’t feel I can personally or technically support it.

And probably 19 out of 20 of those despicable purposes involve buying weed edibles and shrooms.

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#13
I have doubts about running a relay on a VPS, or on any other machine that I don't physically control for that matter.

Tor security relies on multiple nodes being hard to seize synchronously. This property goes away if the majority of people run their nodes as virtual machines on infrastructure provided by a few cloud providers.

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#14
post #3

I often wonder what incentives drive people to run TOR exit nodes; the risk even if remote of getting raided is enough to stop most I'd imagine. Got me thinking on the legal implications and interestingly TOR doesn't recommend running an exit node at home - Found this FAQ quite interesting https://2019.www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq.html.en Particularly ~ Has anyone ever been sued or prosecuted for running Tor?…

The risk is only involved if you're running an exit node, which you don't have to.

My server is running a middle node for almost two years (~0.3-0.4% chance you'll go through it) without a slightest inconvenience. I've put a daily cap on the bandwidth so that I can use the server for other purposes without increasing my server bill. As a result, I'm basically donating bandwidth that'd otherwise be wasted.

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#15

Tor is a project I want to like and support, but can’t. I feel (and I have no evidence) that for every 1 person using it to protect their privacy, 20 are using it for despicable purposes. I would love to be proved wrong on this. I don’t want to shut it down, but at the same time I don’t feel I can personally or technically support it.

e-crimes are victimless crimes

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#16

Tor is a project I want to like and support, but can’t. I feel (and I have no evidence) that for every 1 person using it to protect their privacy, 20 are using it for despicable purposes. I would love to be proved wrong on this. I don’t want to shut it down, but at the same time I don’t feel I can personally or technically support it.

You could say the same for cash.

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#17
post #3

I often wonder what incentives drive people to run TOR exit nodes; the risk even if remote of getting raided is enough to stop most I'd imagine. Got me thinking on the legal implications and interestingly TOR doesn't recommend running an exit node at home - Found this FAQ quite interesting https://2019.www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq.html.en Particularly ~ Has anyone ever been sued or prosecuted for running Tor?…

Pretty sure the reason is the same as for seeding stuff on filesharing, editing Wikipedia (legitimately) and developing open-source software. Namely, that one likes all of that being available to them and recognizes that it relies on people doing those things.

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#18
post #10

Tor is a project I want to like and support, but can’t. I feel (and I have no evidence) that for every 1 person using it to protect their privacy, 20 are using it for despicable purposes. I would love to be proved wrong on this. I don’t want to shut it down, but at the same time I don’t feel I can personally or technically support it.

You would be surprised by who uses it. Iran and other places have a serious need for tor. https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-table.html

Yes, many places have a serious need for Tor. But the bridge stats are misleading because bridges are exclusivity for circumventing censorship.

The stats for tor relays [0] are different:

    United States   418568 (20.37 %)
    Russia          335382 (16.32 %)
    Germany         172251 (8.38 %)
    France           92643 (4.51 %)
    Netherlands      76496 (3.72 %)
    United Kingdom   68674 (3.34 %)
    Indonesia        61917 (3.01 %)
    Ukraine          50331 (2.45 %)
    Canada           48246 (2.35 %)
    India            43953 (2.14 %)
Out of the roughly 66.5% of relay users represented here, 42.5% are from western countries.

[0]: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-table.html

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

#19
post #16

Tor is a project I want to like and support, but can’t. I feel (and I have no evidence) that for every 1 person using it to protect their privacy, 20 are using it for despicable purposes. I would love to be proved wrong on this. I don’t want to shut it down, but at the same time I don’t feel I can personally or technically support it.

You could say the same for cash.

Do you really believe 95% of cash transaction are for despicable purposes?

Re: Operating a Tor Relay

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post #13

I have doubts about running a relay on a VPS, or on any other machine that I don't physically control for that matter. Tor security relies on multiple nodes being hard to seize synchronously. This property goes away if the majority of people run their nodes as virtual machines on infrastructure provided by a few cloud providers.

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