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Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by eapen »

darklajid wrote: post #60
eftpotrm wrote: post #35

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I'm curious; in what way do you prefer Chrome's tab handling? For me it's one of the worst things about Chrome; this window currently has ten tabs open and that's at the _very_ low end for me. With Firefox I can see what I've got open no matter how many I've got because of the pop-down list and the scrolling bar, while Chrome just mashes the list into invisibility.

Also - Tree Style Tab [1] is a must have for me (on 3.x for now, just checking if I'll upgrade now or wait for some of my plugins to migrate first) 1: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

I just plugged this in another reply. The latest and greatest can be found at the author's site.

btw... TabCandy is now called Panorama.

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by sad_hacker »

trezor wrote: post #63
RossM wrote: post #10

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Different (Chrome-inspired) UI; faster (rendering speed) compared to previous versions and some techy-things like hardware acceleration. They also have synchronisation built-in now. I'm also a Chrome user but I'd quite like to switch back if they've sorted out the chronic lag issues I've always had. Update: In ff4 now, looks and feels great, if a little sluggish with page scrolling. I don't know, Chrome just feels sl…

Different (Chrome-inspired) UI I would say it is a carbon-copy of Opera, but that's just me: http://imgur.com/IzVxJ

I was surprised also that the UI is so similar to Opera. I always wanted to go from Opera to Firefox (because Opera's lack of Adblock and some problems with google apps like calendar, gmail), but it was too slow and ugly. Now I give it a good test.

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by dairem »

darklajid wrote: post #60
eftpotrm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious; in what way do you prefer Chrome's tab handling? For me it's one of the worst things about Chrome; this window currently has ten tabs open and that's at the _very_ low end for me. With Firefox I can see what I've got open no matter how many I've got because of the pop-down list and the scrolling bar, while Chrome just mashes the list into invisibility.

Also - Tree Style Tab [1] is a must have for me (on 3.x for now, just checking if I'll upgrade now or wait for some of my plugins to migrate first) 1: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Yes, I'm using Tree Style Tabs on FF4 now, it's fantastic once you go over 20 or so tabs.

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by holygoat »

jmcnevin wrote: post #78

I'm a little conflicted about the Firefox Sync feature. On the one hand: yay! On the other... it's a lot more difficult to set up sync in Firefox than in Chrome. I got to work today and was dismayed to discover that I couldn't simply login to Mozilla's server and sync up my bookmarks from home, but that I needed the sync key from my computer at home to get this working. Boo. That, or you need to have the devices you…

Yes, it's a little more complex than Chrome's sync... but Chrome's sync keeps most of your data in cleartext on Google's servers, and even their optional encryption is relatively weak (low-entropy key derived from your password). I don't like that.

Mozilla can't see your data if we tried -- at that includes if we get a subpoena. Firefox Sync's 128-bit secret key has to be transferred somehow. I think that's worth the extra effort, and you only need to do the setup once.

(If you don't trust Mozilla, you can even run your own Sync server.)

Please don't _keep_ your sync key on Dropbox. It's important!

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by gecko »

icegreentea wrote: post #25
eapen wrote: post #9

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Worth a try? Yes. Better Tab handling and has the ability to hold tabs in "groups" and a "panorama" view which allows you to view all tabs across groups. The awesome bar has also improved significantly and has some smart features (like the option of tab switching instead of opening a new tab when you already have a URL open). Better Add-ons management interface and some add-ons work without a restart of the browser.…

I've been using FF4 beta since B3... does anyone actually use the panorama/tab grouping thing? I find its performance really poor and kinda frustrating, especially since I've been using add-ons that provide similar functionality for a while.

I use it incredibly heavily, in the same way that I use virtual desktops. I have a tab group for work, a tab group for play, a tab group for documentation. Makes it very easy to quickly jump in and out of large collections of tabs without having a completely unusable tab bar like Chrome does.

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by holygoat »

u48998 wrote: post #80

Two things: 1. Sync is totally not up to par. It doesn't inform what it does in the background and there is no place to check on the web what it uploads. I am not sure why FF even bothered to release this feature when it is not even ready (there are several people complaining about many things of Sync at the Add-on review). 2. The bookmark/history manager can use upgrade/better features. Ever since the Delicious fias…

Sync intentionally doesn't allow you to see your data on the web: it's encrypted. If you could view it through a webpage, it could be stolen or subpoenaed, and we're not willing to take that risk with your passwords and history.

If you want to see what Sync is doing, you can add the Sync icon to the Add-on toolbar. If you really want to see what it's doing, turn on logging and look in about:sync-log!

Re: Firefox 4 is here

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Post by hasenj »

DarkShikari wrote: post #59
hasenj wrote: post #49

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I'm a user of such a language (Arabic) and by now all websites I care about use utf8, so the character encoding is a problem from the past as far as I'm concerned. I'd be really surprised if there are still sites that don't use utf8.

Japan still uses Shift-JIS for practically everything, much to the chagrin of anyone else in the world looking to use their applications.

I visit some Japanese websites from time to time (not that I can read or anything .. just clicking on links) and don't remember having many problems with weird characters.
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