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Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I looked it up - according to the NYT 'black, indigenous people of color'. Based on this shouldn't the correct wording for 'black lives matter' be 'BIPOC lives matter'? Surely people of color and indigenous people are taking offense at this?

It also somehow places black and indigenous people as not "people of color"(I assume they aren't counting white indigenous people like the Sami).

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Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Stylistic question. I noticed Black and White capitalized in this article. Is that an emerging convention?

It's something which is developing and being debated. The Root had a rundown earlier today:

https://www.theroot.com/capitalizing-the-b-in-black-is-nice-...

> At The Root, we’ve had a long-standing debate over capitalizing the “B” in black. Some of us are adamantly for it, while others (myself included) are grammar freaks who think that if we capitalize “black” we would also have to capitalize “white,” and I, personally, have no interest in that as it would continue to center whiteness.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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I thought this was a great article. One of the most interesting things to me was how the embarrassment/defensiveness of the white people involved was one of the biggest blocks to the black CEOs in their advancement, e.g. the VCs who "just wanted to get the hell out of there" after mistaking a white subordinate for the CEO. I've recently been reading/watching some videos and writings by Robin Diangelo on systemic raci…

Isn't this part of a different problem of not being allowed to be wrong? It has major impacts on racism (and sexism and other forms of discrimination) making it worse, but also is a factor when someone is wrong in other areas of life and can have negative impacts because owning up to a mistake is something our experiences have taught us to avoid. Why is it that we have a shared experience that you should flee a mistake instead of owning up to it? Is fleeing, or sometimes just outright ignoring, a mistake seen as a more socially rewarded action than owning up to the mistake?

One area to look is politicians apologizing for being wrong and the extent that is treated a weakness by their political opponents.

I think a society where the better choice of action is to own up to a mistake makes for a better society.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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I thought this was a great article. One of the most interesting things to me was how the embarrassment/defensiveness of the white people involved was one of the biggest blocks to the black CEOs in their advancement, e.g. the VCs who "just wanted to get the hell out of there" after mistaking a white subordinate for the CEO. I've recently been reading/watching some videos and writings by Robin Diangelo on systemic raci…

That's stereotyping, not racism. People make inferences. Like, if there's two folks, one dressed in a suit, the other in baggy clothes with thick glasses, most people (including VCs) would default to the former as the MBA CEO, and the latter as geek CTO Even though it might be the exact opposite! If you make a wrong inference, just accept the correction and move on, no hurt feelings. Similar for old vs. young.

> That's stereotyping, not racism.

It can be both.

"Women drive badly" is a sexist stereotype, but not racism.

"Black people drive badly" would be both a stereotype and racism.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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I will say that being an older techie has also had its share of humiliation.

It's just assumed that I have no idea what "all the kids are into," these days. I guess they think that I'm being "Lenny Wosniak."

I grew up in Africa. I was quite used to black people running things, from a very early age.

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This is an interesting and in-depth article that was inappropriately flagged. I've turned off the flags. I understand the impulse to flag follow-up stories [1], especially on the hottest controversies of the moment, which always produce a flood of articles, most of which aren't very good. Curiosity and repetition don't go together [2]. But it's important to recognize the articles that are higher than median quality a…

I flagged it because it is an article written to promote further bias, while under the guise of 'exposing racism'. If you think promoting race politics is the goal of HN, I will find a different forum. My time in SV could not have been more different than what this boased article proports. Fuck identity politics and fuck bloomberg, and fuck you for promoting this drivel.

What I find interesting among the woke crowd (white leftys): they believe any claim a black person makes - especially when it is "their experience." They don't question what that person says - because they are black. It is particularly interesting that the education system is actively teaching our youth - especially black youth - that racism is prevalent today. Teaching young people that they are hated by others (albeit whites) simply because of their skin color (without evidence to the claim) is the reason why we have a race war - not because "the majority whites are keeping blacks down/killing them/etc."

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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I thought this was a great article. One of the most interesting things to me was how the embarrassment/defensiveness of the white people involved was one of the biggest blocks to the black CEOs in their advancement, e.g. the VCs who "just wanted to get the hell out of there" after mistaking a white subordinate for the CEO. I've recently been reading/watching some videos and writings by Robin Diangelo on systemic raci…

Robin Diangelo’s work doesn’t seem to me very good or well informed on what anti-racism actually constitutes. It seems mostly like a schtick to sell to HR managers. The way that she essentializes race seems like a bizarre, inverted reification of whiteness (and by extension white supremacy), than any deconstruction or attack on it. Anti-racism is about taking on the powers and material structures that reproduce racis…

Agreed. I found her work to be devoid of any attempt at connecting her theoretical claims to any form of data and/or measurements.

As if two human beings who both happen to be white are the same, when one was born in a trailer park and the other a high-rise in Central Park West. I was pretty irritated to see her book getting promoted by my HR department, who is filled with people who proudly brag about "math not being my thing."

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Stylistic question. I noticed Black and White capitalized in this article. Is that an emerging convention?

It's a really interesting story, actually! The question of whether and when to capitalize has been an active one since at least the early 20th century. Here's a (very) recent Columbia Journalism Review article that discusses it from a stylistic perspective: https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php And I also thought that this article, about the Brookings Institution's decision to capitalize Black i…

Capitalizing White seems extremely weird, though, and somehow emblematic of how we're sliding backwards into a racialized consciousness even while trying (and hopefully succeeding) to step forwards toward equality.

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Whoa! I didn’t realize Leland Stanford was racist. And blatantly so. Makes you wonder if the university should be renamed.

It's named after his only son, who passed away from Typhoid at 15: https://facts.stanford.edu/about/
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