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Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions Next Year

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Re: Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions Next Year

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What a weird way to attempt to be "egalitarian" - Harvard's only purpose is to be selective and exclusionary. You can't be both.

I am cynical enough to believe it's a loophole to keep overachieving Asians or Indians from owning a rightful slot instead of a son or daughter of a wealthy donor, politician, or celebrity.

Re: Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions Next Year

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Maybe they found that SAT/ACT were not good criteria for selecting the best candidates.

SAT/ACT tests provide "objective" data that can then be used in lawsuits to prove discrimination. Can't win the lawsuit? Eliminate the proof!

They won the lawsuit...

Re: Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions Next Year

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they found that SAT/ACT were not good criteria for selecting the best candidates.

SAT/ACT tests provide "objective" data that can then be used in lawsuits to prove discrimination. Can't win the lawsuit? Eliminate the proof!

You made me dig up some articles on this:

Harvard did win the bias lawsuit last year (october 2019): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/01/harvard-ruli...

The organization challenging this is still there: https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/

Here's their latest complaint (march 2020): http://samv91khoyt2i553a2t1s05i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-c...

Their latest update links to this paper (april 2020): http://samv91khoyt2i553a2t1s05i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-c...

Re: Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions Next Year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harvard is selective and exclusionary but it doesn't need to select the objectively best people, it just has to select people that are "good enough". Most of the value of an undergrad degree at Harvard comes from networking rather than the education itself. It's a club.

(Unrelated, but I love, love, love your username.)

Thanks, I'm glad I took it.

Re: Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions Next Year

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Disclaimer: I didn't go to Harvard, but I did go to a private elementary school many moons ago that I mostly don't remember apart from the Apple IIe's and the mandatory shout-singing of John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt.

This will be slightly off-topic. When my parents were shopping for private schools in the early 1980's, they said they came across a couple of schools that were still requiring pictures like Harvard and other universities did in the past. And we should all should know what that means: passive-aggressive discrimination against non-WASPs in "enlightened" 1982 Santa Clara county, California.

Actually-enlightened admissions would blind the name, address, and appearance of the candidate until after they've seen what they've done, what they've written, and what they plan to do. Anything else, regardless if they drop the SAT or ACT: that reduces to bribery, legacy, appearances, connections, and/or pedigree is just social club pickiness in-order to keep "those other people" out.

Someone let me know when America becomes a meritocracy based on capabilities, accomplishments, and potential rather than the folks paying lip-service to it by and claim it is already from people who have every advantage.

Re: Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions Next Year

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The SAT has always generally been a test showing how well you prepared for the SAT. For top schools all viable candidates had very good scores so it wasn’t much use.

It was just one of those things everyone did because everyone did it. With more opting out that momentum goes away and increasingly now people are asking “so why did we use this test again?”

Likely won’t be long until the SAT just disappears entirely and replaced with nothing, or subject tests or some other exams more practically linked to placement in certain programs.

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Caltech is doing this -- actually, they're going test blind -- for two years. I think that's pretty notable, since I trust them to be interested in only admitting students that can pass their physics classes.

I know a girl who goes to caltech. She says that they don't require you to take a compilers class to get a computer science degree. Sounds like a joke.

Re: Harvard University Won’t Require SAT, ACT for Admissions Next Year

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What a weird way to attempt to be "egalitarian" - Harvard's only purpose is to be selective and exclusionary. You can't be both.

I am cynical enough to believe it's a loophole to keep overachieving Asians or Indians from owning a rightful slot instead of a son or daughter of a wealthy donor, politician, or celebrity.

Yup. The SAT exam fee is affordable (even if expensive) to everyday people. Other qualifications like intel science fairs, extra-curriculars, trips internationally, etc are all really expensive. As the child of middle-class immigrants from Asia, it's meant to keep people like me out, and instead select for the exclusive neighborhood I now live in and the Jones's who want to keep up. Great...
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