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After GitHub CEO backs Black Lives Matter, workers demand an end to ICE contract

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Re: After GitHub CEO backs Black Lives Matter, workers demand an end to ICE contract

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Post by manigandham »

staticassertion wrote: post #117
rattray wrote: post #14

What a bummer that workers are publicly demanding this, and (presumably) seeking press attention on it. I'm no fan of ICE – a very large percentage of my friends in the US are immigrants, and I generally want my country to be a welcoming one. ICE has certainly committed unethical and probably illegal acts (probably true of most federal agencies). But to expect that a _federal agency_ will be denied service from a pri…

Microsoft already banned the police from using Rekognition. I think if the bar is "don't kill minorities" people are mostly going to be OK with you cutting the contract.

I'm a minority who is tired of people using that term without any distinction. Please be more specific because "minorities" are not being randomly killed. We’re doing just fine.

Re: After GitHub CEO backs Black Lives Matter, workers demand an end to ICE contract

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Post by webmaven »

roenxi wrote: post #409
VBprogrammer wrote: post #305

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> is that someone else will realize there is now an under-served market, and create a business to fulfill that need. That is a childishly simplistic understanding of how free markets work. There is no way a retail business would be established to service the needs of 2% of the population who are wheelchair users for example, when they could easily make their stores considerably more efficient by making the aisles a l…

> There is no way a retail business would be established to service the needs of 2% of the population Slow down there, you're going to need more evidence than that to claim that an underserved segment of the population isn't an attractive commercial target. I agree that wheelchair users might be comparatively expensive customers, but if that 2% stat is correct they would be profitable to someone. A business with 2% o…

> I agree that wheelchair users might be comparatively expensive customers, but if that 2% stat is correct they would be profitable to someone. A business with 2% of the market as a captive audience is going to be profitable.

That is true, but it most likely leaves wheelchair users paying a premium on goods and services for the privilege of even being able to enter the establishment, and probably having a smaller selection of lower quality to choose from to boot.

That is what generally happens with captive markets, you know.

Re: After GitHub CEO backs Black Lives Matter, workers demand an end to ICE contract

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Post by Noos »

xondono wrote: post #353

I’m starting to wonder if “politics” in english has a different meaning than in spanish. “Everything is politic” is meaningless to me, in the same way that “everything is top priority” is. If everything is top priority, nothing is top priority.

The way they use it in english is more like "everything has a priority." Or "everything has a color."

Re: After GitHub CEO backs Black Lives Matter, workers demand an end to ICE contract

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Post by manigandham »

Drakim wrote: post #255
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #203

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The colloquial definition of the term is different from the technical definition, but they don't even meet the technical definition. According to your definition, a concentration camp is an "internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment.." People of certain minority groups aren't being rounded up. Illega…

Illegal immigrants in the US are most certainly a minority group. It's not hyperbolic and unproductive, it's the plain truth, just like the Japanese concentration camps during WW2.

Yes, because the number of illegal immigrants is less than the number of legal immigrants which is less than the total population.

What is the purpose of such a technical distinction for this discussion?

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Post by pmiller2 »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #729
pmiller2 wrote: post #684

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What the GP appears to be saying is that undocumented (not "illegal" -- people are not illegal) immigrants as a whole are a minority group. This is obviously true if you just look at the world outside.

I was using the term "illegal" as an adjective, not a noun, to describe their immigration status, a simple way to say that they are here illegally.

“Undocumented” is the more correct adjective. “Out of status” if you want 3 words to do the job of 1.

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Post by manigandham »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #458
google234123 wrote: post #350

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I'm pretty sure that's it's criminal in every country on earth to violate the immigration laws of that country

No. And it almost isn't in the US: "Being illegally present in the U.S. has always been a civil, not criminal, violation of the INA[Immigration and Naturalization Act]" "Criminal violations of the INA, on the other hand, include felonies and misdemeanors and are prosecuted in federal district courts. These types of violations include the bringing in and harboring of certain undocumented aliens, aliens (INA §275), ...…

It is absolutely a criminal violation. Also there are 2 different acts: the crossing of the border (which even a US citizen can be charged for crossing illegally) and being in the country without permission.

Also misdemeanors are still considered serious crimes. I don't get where this hand-waving "because it's just a misdemeanor" comes from.

Re: After GitHub CEO backs Black Lives Matter, workers demand an end to ICE contract

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Post by pmiller2 »

iguy wrote: post #709
pmiller2 wrote: post #657

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Explain all the businesses built on YouTube, then. YT is "free" to most consumers (paid for by ads), but there are literally people who make their livings as YouTube personalities.

What's to explain? All the people who chose not to do this, because it didn't seem like a safe enough business model?

Right, they choose to do it on top of a Google-run service they don’t pay for. According to you, this shouldn’t be happening.

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Post by paulcole »

dnissley wrote: post #726
paulcole wrote: post #651

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> I'm guessing you got that impression by reading between the lines since he certainly did not say so literally. It’s called a dog whistle. Damore knew exactly what he was saying, who it would appeal to, and how to attempt to cover himself when the whole thing blew up in his face.

Who was he dog whistling to? The secret google cabal of sexist software engineers? This strong claim borders on conspiracy. It flies in the face of the fact that the memo was not originally posted for the whole company to see, but in response to a request for feedback on bias training.

> The secret google cabal of sexist software engineers

Go back and read the comment threads here when the story broke. The population of sexist software engineers extends far beyond Google and isn’t a secret to anyone.

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Post by 3131s »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #501
moolcool wrote: post #485

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> Seek responsibility, not power. > Be kind, be bold, never yield > I’d provide services to ICE

Apologies if you believe there’s a conflict in my belief system. I don’t. We’re just arguing over the “how”. If you’re shooting for impact, make sure it’s exceptional.

Pathetic.

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Post by staticassertion »

bhupy wrote: post #703
staticassertion wrote: post #691

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I think it's stupid as hell to have to convince anyone that nazis are worth punching, but whatever, I'll give you one response and leave it. 1) IDK, start with anyone who says they're a nazi. There are tons of people who are openly fascist, white supremacists. No need to worry about grey lines, plenty of punching to go around. If you really want to push the boundaries, go for people who are openly hateful towards min…

Upon punching said Nazi, if you were charged with felony assault, do you see that as a failure of the justice system? > IDK, depends on the nazi, and how many punches it takes to accomplish what you set out to do. At the risk of reading too much between the lines...if it takes enough punches to kill a Nazi, are you advocating for murdering a Nazi?

It was not subtext for murder, no. I wasn't planning to reply to subsequent comments but that does feel worth pointing out.

Assault is assault, I don't see why it would be legal to punch someone.

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