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Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by chinesempire »

class4behavior wrote: post #49
asjw wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I put someone's life in danger and then that person doesn't die it's still a crime. We are in an historical moment when transmitting the COVID-19 to someone else could cost you lifetime jail, I don't think they will go easy on revealing the secret identities of operatives.

You talking past my point. Besides, the US government doesn't tolerate any kind of hindrance to its operations or operatives. They will cry foul like no one else and hunt you down without any regard to any foreign or international laws. Story telling is the easiest part. As for covid, that's simply a false equivalence.

If they are keen to sentence people to lifetime jail for spreading the covid, imagine what they will do to someone who reveals the identity of their operatives and their location

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by chinesempire »

fit2rule wrote: post #120
asjw wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one of the worst crimes committed by humanity in the last 100 years? As much as I oppose to US military politics, I think that in the past 100 years there have been much worse crimes than US wars in the middle east. If I think of the worst criminal of the modern era (post WW2) the first name that comes to mind is Vladimir Putin. For once: he wiped a tenth of the entire Chechen population, it's like if someone order…

Pop quiz: who is supporting military operations over Yemen right now, resulting in millions of starving victims on the ground? (Hint: it isn't Putin.)

Putin is financing both sides to extend Russian influence over the territory

He's not actively involved in the war, he's sitting on it

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by mindslight »

chinesempire wrote: post #160
mindslight wrote: post #144

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It's not ironic, but rather straightforwardly pragmatic. A free press is an ideal to strive towards because it's something that local thugs generally attempt to shut down. Distance helps prevent coercion, and the adversary of your adversary is an ally. Analogously, the US is ideally hosting as many Russian-community-focused independent speakers as possible. The question you should be focused on is why did this whistl…

Isn't it ironic to post about freedom of press from the country where press is not free and journalists are killed? Iceland and Switzerland are free countries as well and refuse extradition to US

'Isn't it ironic to post about police brutality from a city where the police beat protestors?'

Unless Snowden is proclaiming the virtues of being in Russia, then where he is has little bearing on the validity of what he's saying.

Either making it to Iceland or Switzerland is logistically challenging (see: Bolivia), or the downsides of being in Russia aren't particularly bad when you're not speaking out against Russian interests.

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by fit2rule »

chinesempire wrote: post #162
fit2rule wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pop quiz: who is supporting military operations over Yemen right now, resulting in millions of starving victims on the ground? (Hint: it isn't Putin.)

Putin is financing both sides to extend Russian influence over the territory He's not actively involved in the war, he's sitting on it

Evidence?

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by chinesempire »

fit2rule wrote: post #164
chinesempire wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putin is financing both sides to extend Russian influence over the territory He's not actively involved in the war, he's sitting on it

Evidence?

Years of articles from major outlets all over the world and researchers that wrote about it

Even Wikipedia acknowledges it

> Russia has supported both the Yemen Arab Republic and the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen on several occasions and established close relations with them.

Or in a recent study published on February 2020

> This chapter explores the antecedents for Russia’s solitary abstention vote on UN Security Council Resolution 2216 in April 2015, by analyzing the Russia-Yemen bilateral relationship under former president Ali Abdullah Saleh and Russia’s handling of the 2011 Yemeni revolution that heralded Abdurabbo Mansour Hadi’s presidency. It then examines Russia’s reaction to the outbreak of war and shifting positions on conflict resolution within the context of Moscow’s strategic interests in Yemen and regional power projection ambitions.

Counter evidence?

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by chinesempire »

mindslight wrote: post #163
chinesempire wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it ironic to post about freedom of press from the country where press is not free and journalists are killed? Iceland and Switzerland are free countries as well and refuse extradition to US

'Isn't it ironic to post about police brutality from a city where the police beat protestors?' Unless Snowden is proclaiming the virtues of being in Russia, then where he is has little bearing on the validity of what he's saying. Either making it to Iceland or Switzerland is logistically challenging (see: Bolivia), or the downsides of being in Russia aren't particularly bad when you're not speaking out against Russia…

Snowden flew to Russia

He chose to go there

Would it be ironic to move to a city where police is brutal, knowing very well it is, by accepting an invite from the major of the city and then tweeting about police brutality in other parts of the World?

Yes it would.

I live 30kms away from Switzerland, it's really not that challenging to go there.

Maybe being in Geneva to secretly investigate the Swiss bank system working for CIA, writing that Switzerland is like "living in an opposite World" just because your own country is living a financial crisis (2008) while Swiss were shielded by their government from it and refusing to testify against NSA while Switzerland offered asylum in exchange for cooperation, didn't work too well for him

When it became clear that there was no ground to make it a political case, they dropped the offer

Switzerland provides political asylum, not criminal asylum

(Whether Snowden is a criminal or not is not relevant)

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by chinesempire »

dependenttypes wrote: post #122
asjw wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one of the worst crimes committed by humanity in the last 100 years? As much as I oppose to US military politics, I think that in the past 100 years there have been much worse crimes than US wars in the middle east. If I think of the worst criminal of the modern era (post WW2) the first name that comes to mind is Vladimir Putin. For once: he wiped a tenth of the entire Chechen population, it's like if someone order…

> For once: he wiped a tenth of the entire Chechen population, it's like if someone ordered the killing of 34 millions of US citizens. The first Chechen war did not happen under Putin. > down civilian airplanes I doubt that he gave his personal command to do that.

I doubt that something happened under Putin's control is commanded without asking Putin first.

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by AndrewBissell »

jerkstate wrote: post #156
colejohnson66 wrote: post #154

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That is most decidedly not true. If it was, his base would be clamoring for restrictions on the NSA’s spying. The truth is: no one in the public cares.

What's your source for your claim that Trump's base does not care about warrantless spying? You can see an example of priorities in coverage and reaction to the recent defeat/delay of the FISA re-authorization in the House. Here's a recent article from a right-wing outlet, PJ Media, which I feel is at least somewhat representative of Trump's base: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/28/... If thi…

The only reason Trump's base cares one whit about FISA is because it was used (yes, quite illegitimately in my opinion) to spy on Trump and his campaign & staff in the runup to his inauguration. If they actually care about mass surveillance and such, why doesn't Trump put forward some proposals and measures to reign it in? Instead he is seeking to expand it with his AG trying to ban E2E encrypted messaging.

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by lowdose »

roenxi wrote: post #78
us0r wrote: post #4

> After long research, his team of 120 counterintelligence officers hadn’t been able to find a single person, among the thousands of American agents and secret sources in Afghanistan and Iraq, who could be shown to have died because of the disclosures. Sounds like the NSA who couldn't point to a single instance of stopping any type of terrorist attack/operation despite collecting anything they could get their hands o…

I don't see that as being a solid point because it is pretty challenging to point to an instance of a rare event not happening due to your actions. The more pressing issue is that the NSA is a group of people. Nobody knows exactly what they are doing, or why, and the only information that comes out is "trust us, we're the good guys". They have a huge budget. Odds are they are massively corrupt and doing stupid things…

Only the fact their Information Dominance Center is build to resemble the Bridge of the USS Enterprise of Star Trek.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/nsa-chi...

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Post by fractallyte »

fractallyte wrote: post #130
fractallyte wrote: post #105

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Yes, and one would think that after all those examples of fine leadership, us 'civilized' nations would have learned a thing or two? Putin's regime carried out these crimes in the Caucasus in the 21st century (and earlier), and they are continuing even as you read this comment...

OK, for the people who disagree with my comment, here is the reason we should support investigative journalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_government_censorship_... Chechnya has been essentially cut off - considering its recent history, any guesses why??

Wow, a day later, and the votes are still swinging up and down. I wonder why - some Russian apologists haunting this place? Shame on you.

I'll say it plainly: Russia has no place in the Caucasus. Get the hell out, and mind your own damn country.

And if this was a general rule, we'd have a lot less conflict in the world.

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