I'd rather keep my current mail host — half the price, unlimited domains/mailboxes/storage (instead the limit is on the number of outgoing mails per day), based in Switzerland instead of the USA.
Basecamp’s founders are trying to start an email rebellion
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Re: Basecamp’s founders are trying to start an email rebellion
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Which provider is this? Sounds like what I'm looking for.
Mailbox.org They are based in berlin, price scales with storage usage iirc
Re: Basecamp’s founders are trying to start an email rebellion
#153Just use https://forwardemail.net (I'm the creator) We're launching our own Gmail alternative, so if you want beta access just toss me a message or sign up for an account on our site to get notified. We're also a completely open and transparent startup. 100% of the source code is open-source and 100% of our data is open. https://forwardemail.net/open-startup https://github.com/forwardemail
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I loved Inbox, but what actually happened there was that there were two visions of Gmail 2.0 internally. Inbox didn’t win, partly because it was written in a nightmarish C++ framework, but some of its best features were brought into Gmail. Gmail is a conservatively managed product, but it does improve over time.
What is Gmail written in?
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#155This is quite an innovative approach to email, and they describe the features here: https://hey.com/features/ - screening by default - removes email tracking pixels - streamlined reply/read flows - improved attachment handling - doesn't interrupt you by default There's also a video tour of the product from the CEO here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=296&v=UCeYTysLyG... For me as a gmail user I'm keen to…
I thought Gmail loaded images when it got the email, not when users opened it? Doesn't this prevent pixels from tracking?
The redeeming quality is that by proxying those images, your IP and User-Agent are no longer leaked. But that's it.
Re: Basecamp’s founders are trying to start an email rebellion
#156Possibly OT, but dropping email and going exclusively with dialtone/messaging for communications would be a breath of fresh air vs cat-n-mousing around the global spam issue (being under 24/7 attack/abuse is absurd). It may take reengineering some models/processes, but good business only requires good communications (simplicity is the ultimate sophistication). One-size-fits-all (email in this case) is rarely a soluti…
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google had an innovative email platform called Inbox that was widely loved by its users and they killed it two years ago. If the market is not billions of people they just don't care about it.
I loved Inbox, but what actually happened there was that there were two visions of Gmail 2.0 internally. Inbox didn’t win, partly because it was written in a nightmarish C++ framework, but some of its best features were brought into Gmail. Gmail is a conservatively managed product, but it does improve over time.
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#158They mentioned that Gmail, Apple, and others don't do anything to stop you from getting emailed from people you don't want to hear from, but this new tool does. I've only gotten a probably less than 10 spam messages in the past decade, they all go into Spam. I check spam every once in a while for the occasional time there is a false positive, but otherwise requires no action from me. Vs basecamp approach which is mor…
Have you ever been on the receiving end of a sales person's drip campaign?
Re: Basecamp’s founders are trying to start an email rebellion
#159>Most of the Basecamp team's recent rebelliousness, and seemingly the initial reason for building Hey, has to do with spy pixels. How can you tell the difference between a "spy pixel" and an image? Whatever criteria you use can be worked around. Email clients should not allow emails to initiate outgoing network connections... period ... and most of the good ones don't by default.
So do we go back to a world of completely plain-text emails? No buttons? Links buried in a wall of ASCII? We use SendGrid to fire important, user-anticipated emails (i.e. "the Zoom class you paid for is starting at 8:30 AM, here's the private link"). Blocking all images is insane, and would set back email UX to the BBS ages. Blocking all SendGrid-served images would simply mean people host images on their own domain…
I don't understand why that's bad or why e-mail needs an "UX" beyond being text. E-mail is there to convey information and text is the most efficient way to do it. If images are really important, you can include them as attachments and they'll be displayed even with remote content blocked.
Re: Basecamp’s founders are trying to start an email rebellion
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like a simple correlation of size of the image vs. length of the url. Small images with long urls are suspect. Not sure what the work around would be. Edit: Also white/invisible pixels. Maybe number of visible/non-white pixels vs. url length.
How do you know image size and percentage of white or transparent pixels without loading the image?