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Post by lazyjones »

DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

The delusion is on your side if you believe pilots, crane operators or any other profession is as much under surveillance as the police and as active dealing with risky situations that could escalate. Are you just trying to fool yourself with these comparisons or everybody?

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Post by supportlocal4h »

When one 737 Max crashed, some pointed the finger at the pilots.

When a second one crashed, the focus quickly shifted.

It is a common attitude in aviation that even pilot error is really a systems fault. Perhaps opposing buttons are too close together, or some control requires attention to be diverted at the wrong time, or pilots are allowed to fly too many hours without adequate rest, or plenty of other things that could contribute to predictable human failure.

It seems obvious that we can predict human failure in current policing. If two incidents with a 737 lead to an indefinite grounding, what's the right number for this situation?

In the case of the airplane, grounding does not create a public safety issue. And there are, of course, many alternatives that can keep the overall system up and running in the meantime. The solution to police brutality requires much more thought.

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Post by lazyjones »

spike021 wrote: post #170
DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people. A reference I never expected to see on HN. It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.

What is the value in going on Twitter and actively looking for information that confirms your bias? This is what most people, of all political inclinations, are doing.

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Post by hef19898 »

kthejoker2 wrote: post #408
gwd wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, but let's contrast `greg_douchette thread` TGDs #1 and #2. #1 shows a woman wanding around holding a sign. A mounted policeman rides up behind her and just rides right over her. There's enough context to see that it's obviously completely unprovoked, and that either the officer did it on purpose, or there was criminal negligence in his training of how to handle a horse (and/or the training of the horse on how to…

I watched close to 100 of them last night from Greg's thread, I saw very few "minor" ones like your #2, most involve people being shot / struck by batons, cars, gang tackled and beaten by multiple people ... I'd put the ratio at something like 85/15. Most of them are individual or small group acts that are completely unacceptable, fire them immediately sort of things (indiscriminately pepper spraying non-protestors w…

There was a video, I think from LA, where some protesters on one side of the road yelled at rit police on the other side of the road. Usually, not a big deal. And then a couple of officers decided to pull out a guy from the group, who happened to be black, pull him to the ground, beat him with batons. Pepper spaying a woman next to him. All while being filmed. In June 2020.

Despite being disgusting, unwarranted, racist and unacceptable, the sheer amount of stupidity, ignorance and arrogance this shows is just mindboggling. And makes that totally inentional.

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Post by ses1984 »

lazyjones wrote: post #517
kthejoker2 wrote: post #412

If there ever was a case of "don't comment unless you've RTFA" this it: people extrapolating their viewpoint on a list of 700 things from watching 1, 2, 3 ... At a minimum, watch 100 videos. I did last night, only took about an hour, it's easy to find some to nitpick, some which are ambiguous ... and plenty that are totally horrifying. If you can watch 100 videos in a row from Greg Doucette's list and say, "the milit…

This is a clear attempt to manipulate opinion, I don't know why HN leaves it up. You could watch 100 videos of disgusting malpractices in restaurant kitchens and begin to think you should never eat in a restaurant again. If after watching carefully select and cut videos on a Twitter propaganda account you believe the police has a systemic issue, you're falling for the same trap. It's the same way media manipulate you…

>You could watch 100 videos of disgusting malpractices in restaurant kitchens and begin to think you should never eat in a restaurant again.

What's the analogous conclusion from this to police brutality videos? You watch 100 and begin to think you should never talk to a cop again?

Sure you can post up a bad conclusion to draw and then attack it. I'm pretty sure there's a name for this sort of thing.

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Post by GhostVII »

barneygale wrote: post #48
chrisco255 wrote: post #38

It's worth noting hundreds of police officers lose their life a year in the line of duty: https://www.odmp.org/search/year and many more than that receive serious injuries, even permanent spinal damage: One cop was paralyzed from the neck down in Vegas protests: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/14/police-officer-shot-... Retired police chief killed at 77 by looters in St. Louis: https://thehill.com/homenews/state…

This is not a case of a few bad apples. 75 year old man thrown to the floor for no reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4f4dXXbfEg Two of the officers responsible were suspended. In response, the /ENTIRE DEPARTMENT/ resigned: https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-tea... American police need to be disarmed and fired. The idea of a professional police force (especially an /armed/ police force) ma…

I think it's a case of several bad departments/cities/states. The response from the San Francisco PD (for example) was very different from Seattle. Policing is very different from state to state, and police cultures are very different across departments. Treating all police in the US as a single entity doesn't make much sense.

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

clairity wrote: post #493
evil-olive wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US police forces seem to have a very short training Correct; some states have laws mandating training hours for barbers that are longer than that mandated for police [0]. > not centrally vetted by any federal organism As with many things in the US, these rules are mostly state-based (read: 50 different, often overlapping but also often contradictory systems) but with a patchwork of federal oversight. For example, i…

you're entirely warranted to be pissed about tear gas use, but it's misguided to expect quick and accurate federal redress, as the executive function intentionally doesn't cover state or local jurisdictions. states run themselves, and the federal judiciary basically only steps in when state/local governments don't follow their own rules (the presumed expression of the will of the people) or violate the constitution.…

Why would people want power local and limited? Noting the sordid history of local, "States Rights", Jim Crow style policies that exist at the local level. Especially when the issue concerns US policing which is the ideological descendant of slave patrols.

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Post by piokoch »

kthejoker2 wrote: post #412

If there ever was a case of "don't comment unless you've RTFA" this it: people extrapolating their viewpoint on a list of 700 things from watching 1, 2, 3 ... At a minimum, watch 100 videos. I did last night, only took about an hour, it's easy to find some to nitpick, some which are ambiguous ... and plenty that are totally horrifying. If you can watch 100 videos in a row from Greg Doucette's list and say, "the milit…

As a non American I am not getting this at all. In many US cities/towns sheriff is elected. In all other cases city mayor is elected. How it happens that all those mayors and sheriffs are still in the office if police brutality is such a big issue?

Does this mean that people just do not care, or there is only some minority who thinks that the police is too violent and the rest is ok with that?

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Post by downerending »

trabant00 wrote: post #421

Watched first 10 videos with youtube links in the list: url - description - what I see in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_yJjdsJ_0 - trampling a peaceful protestor with a horse - protester stepped into the horse's way without looking in that direction, nobody's fault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTGneu7tZU - Shoving an unarmed woman to the curb, prompting a seizure that put her in the emergency room…

Thanks for some summaries. Any idea of how many of these cases involved people acting illegally? (e.g., refusing to leave an area after being ordered to)
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