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Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Especially compared to other countries, the US police seem to show quite the restrained considering most countries do not allow to carry weapons. It is a significant risk for safety of course. But if you look at the data, the often believed stereotype of US police being glorified cowboys seems to be quite untrue. Frankly I am a bit cynical about politicians declaring the need for police reform. In my country protests…

> considering most countries do not allow to carry weapons Imagine being legally allowed to own and carry a gun and getting killed because you legally own and carry your gun. How is that logic? https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/06/22/philando-castil...

Also Breonna Taylor: Kentucky is a "castle doctrine" state, where it's legal to shoot intruders. So the police arrived at her home to serve a no-knock warrant, her boyfriend shot at the intruders, and the police returned fire and killed her.

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From what I understand, all of these people are breaking curfew and ignoring instructions to leave the area, and in some cases are acting belligerent when confronted, and this is happening at scale. Is the expectation that curfew is an order that should not be enforced in the strictest sense? From what I could see on the news, parts of your country were being burned down and looted by some rogue elements who used the…

> If I lived in those areas I would have liked to see the curfew enforced as harshly as possible because if it is not enforced then I will lose the local businesses who I depend on to live in that area.

In Chicago the curfew didn't start until 9pm. The impression I had during that first week was the curfew was to get most of the law-abiding citizens off the street ("essential workers" were excluded), so the police had less uncertainty to deal with - they were just completely overwhelmed by the amount of rioters and looters.

> Perhaps in first world countries life has become soft and comfortable so there is some expectation of civil behavior from everyone in society, but clearly that has not happened in the USA and many other countries.

Rather agreed here; if anything that week has me leaning towards needing more police, not defunding them.

Quick edit: It seems they're also now on 12-hour days with no time off, apparently expecting more chaos in the coming days.

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I pseudo-randomly sampled 30 videos... Almost all of them had outright wrong, or heavily misleading titles and/or descriptions with contradictory claims in the comments - and almost none of them provided context to the police actions. This list is really more about stoking emotions than providing evidence of anything. I mean look at this one... https://twitter.com/jayjanner/status/1267111893753307137 A large volume o…

So, for the example you provide the only contradictory claims come from accounts that have very few followers. The few posts saying "she was throwing things" have fewer than 10 followers. But, also, rubber bullets are less lethal, not non lethal, and so they should be reserved for situations where life is at risk. If she wasn't throwing molotov cocktails or bricks they shouldn't have used rubber bullets on her. The o…

As a rule of thumb, coming from my dad who served in the German federal police and was sent to every single castor transport (nuclear waste to be stored in Germany, quite a controversial topic) up to 2007/8, countless fottball games and G8/20, NATO conferences, demonstrtions decrease in violence with increasing numbers of children, women and older people. Applies to both sides, except for the children of course.

The worst thing they ever used, as far as I remember, was water cannons and riot shields.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Especially compared to other countries, the US police seem to show quite the restrained considering most countries do not allow to carry weapons. It is a significant risk for safety of course. But if you look at the data, the often believed stereotype of US police being glorified cowboys seems to be quite untrue. Frankly I am a bit cynical about politicians declaring the need for police reform. In my country protests…

> Especially compared to other countries, the US police seem to show quite the restrained There have been multiple instances where the us police shot someone and fired more bullets in this situation than the while german police in a whole year. And i don't mean big standoffs but shooting a single person. /edit: in 2018 the german police fired a total of 54 bullets on persona killing 11. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wik…

I agree that police violence and brutality is at unacceptable levels. However, number of bullets fired may not be a good statistic. My understanding is US police officers are trained to fire the whole magazine of rounds.

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With all due respect, 1984 has a much higher cultural impact and awareness than ATLA. The show isn't that well known outside of current 20-30 year olds.

Frankly... among my generation of roughly 30 year olds, I'd expect Avatar the Last Airbender to have higher cultural impact than 1984 (which was written in 1949). Most of us were forced to read 1984 and didn't really enjoy it. ATLA however, is something that we organically grew up with through high-school / college and actually paid attention to. My group of friends would be aware of 1984 concepts... such as "Big Bro…

Either you're generalizing a bit too much or I'm weird as I'm mid 30's now, and I have definitely read 1984 but have never seen Avatar. In fact when I read "Avatar" I think of blue space aliens before I think of the anime.

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I’ve reached the point where the problem is more than just the equipment, it’s the culture. There are way too many cases where a cop provokes a confrontation, often by stopping to allow someone else nearby to run into them, and every other cop in the group responds by beating anyone nearby and shoving back anyone with a camera. You don’t get coordinated responses like that without planning and practice.

>I’ve reached the point where the problem is more than just the equipment, it’s the culture. This is absolutely true, but the problem goes much deeper than just the police force itself. We seem to want to solve every imaginable social problem with police/courts/prisons. Drug abuse needs to be viewed as a public health problem, not a criminal problem. Homelessness as a housing and mental health problem, not a criminal…

Maybe "the right not to be prosecuted for a victimless crime" should be an amendment. Then homelessness/drugs-whatevers/prostitution can no longer have laws against them.

"Address the root cause", exactly, and the root cause is the unjust laws. Though cops pretty much never being found guilty for unjust use of violence is a big one too, and I wonder what law changes can solve that issue.

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Thousands of police officers are not killed actually, their jobs are actually not even the 10 most dangerous jobs in America. As a black man you are more likely to be killed by a cop than it is likely a cop dies in the line of duty (ftr around 1 in every 1000 black men and boys are expected to be killed by police. In 2019 there are over 600,000 law enforcement officers but the Officer Down statistic lists 106 deaths.…

> As a black man you are more likely to be killed by a cop than it is likely a cop dies in the line of duty Same goes for criminals. And this is the mistake in your argumentation. Around 2.2% of black men were imprisoned in 2018 in the US ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/252871/imprisonment-rate... ). It's not per se outrageous that 5% or so of criminals die in the hands of the police, in a country with major so…

Was Tamir Rice a criminal?

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Some ideas: - Less immunity, and discharge without pension for blatant violations, for example being caught on camera hiding a badge, or deliberately bumping into someone to be able to argue that they were "assaulted". - Longer police traning. A 6-12months is how long you should train to be an unarmed mall security guy. Two or three years for a policeman seems like a minimum if you want qualified officers. - Federal…

Add to that a concept of shit rolling uphill. My CEO is very serious about SOX compliance because if his subordinates mess up, he can go to prison. If cops have a history of malfeasance and are not removed, their superior should be removed. If systemic issues exist, the top should be removed. Then we will see some changes because incentives start to align.

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There is one UK example which is actually a counter example where the police allowed a statue to be destroyed instead of intervening and creating a potentially dangerous altercation.

So they allowed a mob to circumvent the legislative/democratic process of monument removal and it's an example of a "good" action? Mobs are not the law.

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Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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If there ever was a case of "don't comment unless you've RTFA" this it: people extrapolating their viewpoint on a list of 700 things from watching 1, 2, 3 ... At a minimum, watch 100 videos. I did last night, only took about an hour, it's easy to find some to nitpick, some which are ambiguous ... and plenty that are totally horrifying. If you can watch 100 videos in a row from Greg Doucette's list and say, "the milit…

I watched 10. The first 10, not selected 10. Why do I need to watch 100 to find what is claimed - "brutality"? If there are 7 cases of real police brutality make a list of 7, not 700.

Even one is blatantly unacceptable.
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