Polarization, scary stuff :(
elaborate please?
George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter
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#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are lots and lots of mishaps in many professions, sometimes with deadly consequences. The United States is a country of 330 million people. Suppose an event is so unlikely it only has 1 in a billion chance of happening--it will happen once ever 4 days on average! I think the issue people are rioting about is that it's not a 1 in a billion chance for everyone. It's more like 1 in a quintillion for a rich white p…
This cannot be backed up by data. When I travel with a black friend in Europe, I actually get checked occasionally. That never happens when traveling alone. There seem to be issues with profiling here but I don't believe a diagnosis like systemic racism is in any way justified beyond populism.
There seem to be issues with profiling here but I don't believe a diagnosis like systemic racism...
Profiling is an aspect of systemic racism.
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#293There needs to be a psychology study done with cops to understand why they act the way they do. I believe there's an underlying problem in how they are trained or something else because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon. When someone kills or severely hurts the people they are supposed to protect, it seems like there's something else going on. I've been in a few protests and I can easily say that I have…
> because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon No it's not. Police in Europe is, on average, very kind. When they stop you, you don't have to be afraid of anything, and more often than not you stop them to ask for help, even if it's just to ask for directions.
Well, you are correct. The average officer outside of the US is not scary. Especially European cops. The first time I visited the US after living in Australia for years, was quite a shocker for me. But when I said "kind of" I meant that there are countries that make an exception but other than western Europe and Australia, most countries have a police brutality problem. But that's only one side of the police force. When protests break out and the big guys come out, even the European cops are quite brutal. Protests in Germany, France can be a good example of that. So, maybe I can rephrase my comment as Police brutality is a global phenomenon but it extends to the average officer in the US which makes it a bigger problem there.
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#294There are lots and lots of mishaps in many professions, sometimes with deadly consequences. The United States is a country of 330 million people. Suppose an event is so unlikely it only has 1 in a billion chance of happening--it will happen once ever 4 days on average! Medical errors, for example, are estimated to cause as many as 250,000 deaths per year [1]. There are millions and millions of daily interactions betw…
> Suppose an event is so unlikely it only has 1 in a billion chance of happening--it will happen once ever 4 days on average!
Ok, the EU has 445M citizens[1] which means, by your logic, there should statistically be 40% more police "mistakes" than the US. Except there isn't. It is radically lower[2] (1536 for the USA in 2019 vs 51 for the EU in 2018/19).
[1] https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/figures/living_en [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc...
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#295Insane
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#296The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.
>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people. A reference I never expected to see on HN. It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.
So the absolute truth is on Twitter? How significant is the portion of uninformed Americans? If an American watches TV news and reads Twitter are they half informed? WTF is your point: blame others, hate others, downvoting to remove a disparaging opinion. Do you feel powerful? You might be the cop.
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#297One related issue, is that right now, in COVID times, unnecessary arrests, jailing, busing, etc. is in some abstract sense an application of potentially lethal force -- since enclosed spaces and close contact makes COVID transmission significantly more likely. It seems important to understand how much that is happening and where. If that data, in combination with protest size/type data is available, it can help us be…
Where Covid rules apply: Home, Banks, Retail, Restaurants, Hospitals Yes Jails, Police station No Can you sue police if get sick ?
I assume that is part of ‘qualified immunity’.
There is also the issue with police chiefs publicly declaring that they will not enforce the orders of their governor.
So, that is a bigger problem to me...
Deciding to only enforce the laws you ‘like’.
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#298Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't have to worry about getting killed, even though that's changing slowly [0][1], but many of them are authority abusive pieces of shit that have no place in the police. I've been stopped on my motorcycle for no reasons by officers in an unmarked car, they kept me 30 min on the road under full summer sun and didn't provide me any reason for stopping me whatsoever. "don't do crimes and the police will leave you…
I've got stopped close to midnight by Swiss border police once, coming from rock climbing session over the border. You would expect Swiss politeness and correctness, right? I got held at the (utterly empty otherwise) border for 40 minutes. They went through my whole backpack (just wet stinking climbing clothing equipment), did some obscure exercises like taking out all my cash & cards from wallet, counting it, puttin…
You got stopped at a border? Wow, poor you.
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#300The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior. This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime. They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do. We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or rio…
> The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior.
We've had children "protesting" here in the UK too despite the police not generally participating in brutality.