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Post by luckylion »

deepersprout wrote: post #246
lorthemar wrote: post #229

There needs to be a psychology study done with cops to understand why they act the way they do. I believe there's an underlying problem in how they are trained or something else because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon. When someone kills or severely hurts the people they are supposed to protect, it seems like there's something else going on. I've been in a few protests and I can easily say that I have…

> because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon No it's not. Police in Europe is, on average, very kind. When they stop you, you don't have to be afraid of anything, and more often than not you stop them to ask for help, even if it's just to ask for directions.

> Police in Europe is, on average, very kind.

I generally agree. "The left" in Germany does disagree completely, though, so I think it's pretty controversial and not really as simple as you make it out to be.

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Post by [deleted] »

monadic2 wrote: post #249
krzyk wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't throw all police officers into one bucket. You have some outliers that are violent and the rest just does their job - keeping the city more safe. Also don't assume all cases of police officer shooting a person are cases of police brutality - this is for court to prove.

This is difficult when police literally have a union. If the union were acting in good faith they would be eager to learn & fire. Instead we get the “blue wall of silence” & turn otherwise “good” cops into ones indistinguishable from “bad” cops. I mean there’s even a “good cop/bad cop” trope that’s got to be the best example of this kind of behavior—I can’t count how many times police are complicit with straight up t…

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Post by tjbrennan »

lorthemar wrote: post #229

There needs to be a psychology study done with cops to understand why they act the way they do. I believe there's an underlying problem in how they are trained or something else because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon. When someone kills or severely hurts the people they are supposed to protect, it seems like there's something else going on. I've been in a few protests and I can easily say that I have…

I recently learned of Dave Grossman and his police training courses that appear to encourage murder[0]. I'm not sure how prolific his teaching is, but it says a lot about the fearful mindset these officers have.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grossman_(author)

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Post by totetsu »

aganame wrote: post #130
danShumway wrote: post #84

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> in the last year or decade > what those perps and officers have experienced Both totally irrelevant to whether or not it's appropriate to punch a handcuffed prisoner in the face while they're not resisting. If a cop is suffering from PTSD or stress to the point where they can't keep themselves from assaulting a handcuffed prisoner, then I am genuinely very sorry for them, but they're still in the wrong job and they…

Have you ever had to restrain a person who might want to kill you? While wearing a firearm? I have done some grappling in MA myself, but I imagine the stakes are in another dimension on a real situation. I'm not totally certain there are any people who can be "good" at it in the sense that they'll never make mistakes or lose their cool. Then consider that there are over 10 million situations every year where somethin…

Most of the MA I have attended that had a serious focus on self defense, were focused on deescalation, safety and dealing with the stress of the moment. There is a place for the use of violence to educate someone that it's in their best interest to change their behavior, but prolonged choke holds or grappling aren't helping keep anyone safe in most on the street situations.

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Post by newguy1234 »

Aloha wrote: post #90
dtagames wrote: post #2

I know politics isn't the usual HN topic, but I think this goes beyond politics at this point. Until I saw this list, I had no idea how out of control this situation has gotten here. I'm saddened for my country and hope that this can be a turning point for all of us.

I believe strongly that George Floyds death and the reactions thereafter are to a majority of the nation, the same as the 16th Street Church Bombing was in 1963, its a turning point in making people aware of the real costs of our problems with policing. The fact is, I'm a white dude in my mid-30's, I make a tech salary, and I'm afraid of the police, because an officer with a hair up somewhere could ruin my life for a…

Same here. When I see police, I just think, don't go near them or bother them at all. I actively avoid police if I can unless there are a bunch of other people around (concert, sporting event etc.).

The fear I think is more along the lines that police can detain you, arrest you and so on. So I just figure, why chance it? I optimize for lowest risk and I view police as an unnecessary risk.

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Post by arianvanp »

luckylion wrote: post #261
deepersprout wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon No it's not. Police in Europe is, on average, very kind. When they stop you, you don't have to be afraid of anything, and more often than not you stop them to ask for help, even if it's just to ask for directions.

> Police in Europe is, on average, very kind. I generally agree. "The left" in Germany does disagree completely, though, so I think it's pretty controversial and not really as simple as you make it out to be.

Nobody in the left in Germany will claim police brutality is at any level near what America is facing as that's completely absurd.

However, people do acknowledge police is authoritative, profile racially, and abuse their power at times.

I think you can acknowledge both without being inconsistent.

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Post by limomium »

tprice7 wrote: post #248
lorthemar wrote: post #229

There needs to be a psychology study done with cops to understand why they act the way they do. I believe there's an underlying problem in how they are trained or something else because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon. When someone kills or severely hurts the people they are supposed to protect, it seems like there's something else going on. I've been in a few protests and I can easily say that I have…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc... The rate of police killings is vastly higher in the US than any other Western country. So something is going on there that is not a universal phenomenon.

This page has inaccurate data. I checked for my country and the listed number disagrees with the linked source next to it!

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Post by arianvanp »

lorthemar wrote: post #229

There needs to be a psychology study done with cops to understand why they act the way they do. I believe there's an underlying problem in how they are trained or something else because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon. When someone kills or severely hurts the people they are supposed to protect, it seems like there's something else going on. I've been in a few protests and I can easily say that I have…

I was very surprised to hear a cop in the US only gets 3-6 months of training.

Here in the Netherlands _basic_ education is 3 years; and then you have another few years to specialize into a specific topic (abuse, fraud, forensics, narcotics..).

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Post by dillonmckay »

fiblye wrote: post #129
rabidrat wrote: post #110

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Over the last week I have been starting to realize that what you said is true in general, and not just of protests. It seems that police inflame and instigate most of the violent situations they are involved in. We are literally paying to be abused. We shouldn't be trying to get that money back; we shouldn't even be paying it in the first place.

One example is civil asset forfeiture. Police can and do stop people at random, see if they have “suspicious” valuables or a little too much money, and seize it. It’s virtually impossible to fight the case and it’s literally free money with zero consequence to the police. If you try to deny them their free money, they just arrest you. It’s legally condoned robbery. I’ve had friends who’ve been pulled over while passi…

Even worse is seizing vehicles that are still not paid off.

The police department will determine if it is worth ‘paying off’ the remaining loan amount, so they can seize the car and sell it at auction.

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Post by pjc50 »

deepersprout wrote: post #246
lorthemar wrote: post #229

There needs to be a psychology study done with cops to understand why they act the way they do. I believe there's an underlying problem in how they are trained or something else because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon. When someone kills or severely hurts the people they are supposed to protect, it seems like there's something else going on. I've been in a few protests and I can easily say that I have…

> because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon No it's not. Police in Europe is, on average, very kind. When they stop you, you don't have to be afraid of anything, and more often than not you stop them to ask for help, even if it's just to ask for directions.

.. if you're of the "native" white ethnicity or a white tourist, yes. The London BLM protests aren't just copycats, there's a long history of poor race relations from the Met.
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