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Re: No Code

#21

"First, you work all month, and then you give half of the money to those who couldn't work." fixed the wording for you.

He said:

> those who didn't work

He didn't say "those who wouldn't work".

People that receive money from government programs include the disabled, aged, carers, students, those seeking work who can work, and those not seeking work who can work.

Re: No Code

#22
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For actually writing business logic, replacing code with drag and drop logic blocks is... not really helpful to anybody It's not helpful for anybody to be able to write their own services, even if they cannot code? Everyone who can't code, would disagree with you. Sure, they can spend some free time to pickup programming, and maybe after a lot of reading and practicing, would be able to build the flow in a programm…

Because drag and dropping blocks is the same difficulty as writing it down just with more steps. The difficulty isn't in writing the code, but specifying exactly what you want to do.

Yeah, I mean, you're right, it is difficult to specifically know what you want the computer/server to do.

But, writing code (as text) is a lot harder for people to do, than to use graphical elements. Why I don't know, maybe it's just more daunting to get started. But people have an easier time pickup "programming" via blocks rather than text.

Re: No Code

#23

"First, you work all month, and then you give half of the money to those who couldn't work." fixed the wording for you.

It sounds like Taxes in Berlin are extremely effective. In the US my Taxes seem to just vanish.

your roads aren't fucked

Re: No Code

#24
post #15

The second sentence ("First, you work all month, and then you give half of the money to those who didn't work.") is already so blatantly wrong and reactionary that I almost have to force myself to read on - after all, if the premise is already flawed what good can come of it?

It's obviously supposed to be humorous. Whether you like the joke or think it's dumb, the article isn't premised on it being true.

Re: No Code

#25
post #10

What "no code" is really about is "no figuring out the toolchain, deployment, integration with third parties, etc". For actually writing business logic, replacing code with drag and drop logic blocks is... not really helpful to anybody. But with all the crap that programmers actually spend our days dealing with removed from the picture, anybody can write their own business logic, even if they have to do it in gasp co…

> is "no figuring out the toolchain, deployment, integration with third parties, etc".

Yep and programmers are terrible at delivering that: I do believe a lot of people like setting up their environments, running updates and fixing their code while nothing in the business logic was changed. I find it by far the most annoying part of modern programming; I want to build a product that adds to the bottomline; not figure out whatever I need to set up to get that done. After the set up, we do not need drag and drop or whatever; just code is fine, but can we just please skip any and all of the setup by default (you can change it if you require ofcourse!), while it being ready and secure for production, by default? That is what these no code tools do well: I can just start making datamodels, business logic and connections instead of worrying what crucial npm updates will break my code today.

Edit: Also when I run the npm i module no code equivalent (pressing add plugin/module or something), it will immediately work; no 90 page setup document of ‘integrating’ things in my application. Sure the flexibility!!! But why are we (me included) so incredibly bad a sane and ‘just works after install’ defaults? I still think, as said above, that people must like this busywork, otherwise you would expect more complaining?

I do know many freelancers (paid per hr) and many people under contract indeed like that work: it is a nice distraction from thinking about logic and it takes time (a lot of time sometimes), but I cannot believe people really would prefer it over taking a walk outside instead?

Re: No Code

#26
post #15

The second sentence ("First, you work all month, and then you give half of the money to those who didn't work.") is already so blatantly wrong and reactionary that I almost have to force myself to read on - after all, if the premise is already flawed what good can come of it?

Seriously.. it wouldn't be such an aggravating statement if people didn't actually believe it. (To state the obvious, the idea of the taxes is that the money is used to pay for the roads to get you to work, for the education that provides you and your employees the skills to work, and for all the other things that allow society to function so you can work. Yes, including helping people who are looking for work, so that the economy in which you work can function. It's not altruism - you're paying for the system which supports your job existing in the first place.)

Re: No Code

#27
post #15

The second sentence ("First, you work all month, and then you give half of the money to those who didn't work.") is already so blatantly wrong and reactionary that I almost have to force myself to read on - after all, if the premise is already flawed what good can come of it?

It's obviously supposed to be humorous. Whether you like the joke or think it's dumb, the article isn't premised on it being true.

Jokes with false premises always struck me as bad humor. It's like Jerry Seinfeld getting up there and being like "the problem with coffee is that there's always just a litttttle hint of banana flavor. No matter what you do! Always the banana! I mean, is the guy making my coffee some sort of orangutan??"

Re: No Code

#28
post #15

The second sentence ("First, you work all month, and then you give half of the money to those who didn't work.") is already so blatantly wrong and reactionary that I almost have to force myself to read on - after all, if the premise is already flawed what good can come of it?

I'm assuming you didn't actually force yourself to read on:

> Disclaimer #2: My stupid jokes in this post are not intended to insult someone or impose any radical opinions. They're here for a better connection with reality through an ironic reflection of it. Because the stupidest things in the World are always done with a serious face. And yeah, I know how taxes work and I always pay for apps, even the shitty ones. But that doesn't stop me from whining about it.

Re: No Code

#29

What do you do when Integromat shuts down?

Same can be said about most cloud platforms that programmers would store their code. "What if Google Cloud shuts down", "What if service X changes their API", "What if your CI/CD provider makes a breaking change in their YAML syntax".

This happens, it sucks, but it's not a reason to not host on cloud, use an API, or deploy with a CI/CD. Outsourcing is a calculated risk.

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