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Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by octodog »

nsonha wrote: post #23
smcleod wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not local news pushing for this, it's being pushed by Murdoch's media empire. Based on the poor (some would say downright disgusting) quality of their content - they absolutely do not deserve even the funding they currently have.

I don't really watch the news and not from Australia originally even though I live here, so forgive my stupid question: is there local news in Australia? I've never heard of any.

There's definitely local news but you'll find more locally specific programming on radio or in newspapers than on TV.

On TV the ABC, Channel 7, Channel 9 and Channel 10 all have state-specific broadcasts and newsrooms while SBS runs a single national program. Because the capital cities in Australia make up such a large proportion of the population you will rarely get "local news" on TV if you live in a regional town or area.

Most regional and local papers are owned by either News Corp or Australia Community Media (which was formerly owned by Fairfax before they were acquired by Nine) though, so even these local news outlets rely on the big players.

If you live in Melbourne's north I recommend trying to get a hold of "The Local Paper", which is an independent paper that focuses on things like what the local council gets up to. It's a pretty different experience to reading one of the big mastheads.

Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by Kiro »

yung0 wrote: post #21
MattGaiser wrote: post #7

What is it that causes news companies to lose money because of Google and Facebook? I am still visiting their site to read the article. If you only read the headline, you aren't a serious consumer of news anyway.

On mobile, for example, some news sites are hosted via Google's AMP service. I think that's at least one of the avenues for this supposed 'misuse'.

That makes no sense. The news sites implement AMP themselves. There's no way your site can become AMP'd automatically or accidentally.

Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by bluesign »

MattGaiser wrote: post #7

What is it that causes news companies to lose money because of Google and Facebook? I am still visiting their site to read the article. If you only read the headline, you aren't a serious consumer of news anyway.

The issue is probably most people are not reading the article anymore. When you have enough comment density, actually reading comments is more like a summary service.

Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by asdfaoeu »

missedthecue wrote: post #49
fxtentacle wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find it too absurd if you consider that many older people go to Facebook to read the news. And by now, the young crowd is moving on, which means those older people are Facebooks main user base.

So a company getting outcompeted wants the government to force its competiton to give it free money. And you don't think that's absurd?

Countries protect their domestic companies all the time.

Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by moksly »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #9

Australia’s competition regulator, the ACCC, has estimated that Google and Facebook together earn some A$6 billion (US$4 billion) a year from advertising in the country. Leading news publishers have demanded the two companies pay at least 10% of that money each year to local news organizations. News organizations want ten percent of FB and Goog's advertising revenue? I guess I do too but this concept is facially absu…

From an American perspective, sure, but in a lot of countries we ask ourselves if letting these companies operate freely is a benefit for our society.

I can see why moving money from Facebook to local news media would benefit Australia, and let’s not pretend we can’t force Google or Facebook to comply. Just look at what they are willing to do for China.

Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by Mirioron »

asdfaoeu wrote: post #54
missedthecue wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a company getting outcompeted wants the government to force its competiton to give it free money. And you don't think that's absurd?

Countries protect their domestic companies all the time.

Sure, but you generally don't want to be blatant about it. If the US decides to start swinging its weight around to protect Google/Facebook from this (or as retaliation) then Australia is most definitely going to come out on the losing side.

Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by thosewhoteach »

forgingahead wrote: post #14

So the other shoe has finally dropped: If it hasn't been apparent to everyone yet, the vast majority of "anti-tech"/anti-FB articles has been the dying gasps of attempted relevance from an antiquated media ecosystem. Old media is upset and angry that they no longer have a monopoly on controlling the narrative. They're scared that their business model is no longer viable. They're worried about their loss of credibilit…

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Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by tozeur »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #9

Australia’s competition regulator, the ACCC, has estimated that Google and Facebook together earn some A$6 billion (US$4 billion) a year from advertising in the country. Leading news publishers have demanded the two companies pay at least 10% of that money each year to local news organizations. News organizations want ten percent of FB and Goog's advertising revenue? I guess I do too but this concept is facially absu…

It’s a massive money drain out of Australia. Look at how aggressively China protects its businesses by blocking Facebook etc from operating in its borders.

Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by lenkite »

missedthecue wrote: post #49
fxtentacle wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find it too absurd if you consider that many older people go to Facebook to read the news. And by now, the young crowd is moving on, which means those older people are Facebooks main user base.

So a company getting outcompeted wants the government to force its competiton to give it free money. And you don't think that's absurd?

If they are re-publishing content created by news publishers on their platform, they can pay money for this. If they do not want to pay the price, they can simply stop showing news. People will go back to the original platform.

Re: Facebook rejects calls to share advertising revenue with Australian media

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Post by Mirioron »

foepys wrote: post #45
rrdharan wrote: post #11

Won’t this just play out the same way it did in Germany and Spain?

For the uninitiated: Germany passed legislation that requires websites to pay a fee even to show headlines. Google said they won't pay and will pull the plug on Google News in Germany if they need to pay a single cent. The media organizations then granted an exclusion to Google News, giving Google News a competitive advantage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancillary_copyright_for_press_...

To note: one company tried going without Google, saw the number of visitors drop, and went back to Google for the deal.
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