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Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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You're probably mistaking police flash bangs for fireworks. These devices are completely inappropriate for crowd control, but routinely deployed by US police in the protests.

Ah what is appropriate? Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done? Allowing mobs to burn down minority neighborhoods in Minneapolis?

I live basically in the CHAZ in Seattle, they haven't taken over anything. The police just abandoned the precinct building and left it unlocked and people are gathering peacefully to listen to other people speak. It's like a street festival or a farmer's market but with an explicit aim of stopping police from killing black people.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Most posts on this subject keep getting pushed off of the front page by mods. It's pretty sad to watch, especially with the number of posts about coronavirus. They're both major issues, but one is nerdier than the other so it gets to stay.

Mods didn't touch this post, or see it, until I turned the flags off just now.

Got it, thanks. Since that's that's been a big trend recently, is there anything that can be done to make sure posts like these don't just immediately get flagged into oblivion? I can absolutely see campaigns against HN that flag these sorts of posts to get off the front page.

Not expecting the answer to be yes, but figured I'd ask.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Can we stop with this BS about police brutality, perhaps we should be more vocal for the criminal's brutality? Which would limit the need of police in the first place? There are more than 350M interactions of police with citizens in a year, and you found 400 videos - most of them questionable in the definition of brutality. How about thousands of police officers killed that are protecting us? Here is the latest case…

Thousands of police officers are not killed actually, their jobs are actually not even the 10 most dangerous jobs in America. As a black man you are more likely to be killed by a cop than it is likely a cop dies in the line of duty (ftr around 1 in every 1000 black men and boys are expected to be killed by police. In 2019 there are over 600,000 law enforcement officers but the Officer Down statistic lists 106 deaths...)

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

To be fair you are comparing an adversarial job with a cooperative one. A crane operator won't feel unsafe, or confronted by someone he calls hostile. This is no excuse whatsoever for the multitude of outraging problems in the system, but the comparison isn't straightforward.

A reasonable crane operator would hopefully call for help and not push it to the limit.

Personally, I’m not convinced cops need to go for a 100% apprehension rate all the time no matter what with 100% control of every situation.

Mostly because of the rate at which crimes happen without a cop around and then go unresolved.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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I opened a couple of random ones. The first one was this link: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 Which isn't an example of police brutality. The second one was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsTkAOe5UTE Basically a bunch of thugs attack random drivers. One of the thugs jumps into a random car, the car stops, police come, pull the thug out, he resists, they deal with him. I have zero…

I didn't know about such stories. It is fair to ask for context of each videos. Videos are just like words, they can be taken out of context.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Suggestions? It seems like anyone that is able to provide a service to host video would be just as likely to remove them for the same pressure. P2P torrent with enough people seeding them to make it impossible to remove them is the only thing that comes to mind.

Yeah I was thinking a torrent too - seems like the only way to guarantee it stays up.

> Yeah I was thinking a torrent too - seems like the only way to guarantee it stays up.

I'm up for helping, we did the same thing during HKs police brutality videos, please consider seeding this as well; let me know how I can help.

https://torrentz2.eu/9b85dd223c8f92c923f516ed77bbdfcb770f4dd...

Oh, also worth noting the HKPF/PLA just used the same knee-to-neck choke hold on an unarmed female protestor during the 1 year Anniversary protests on June 12th [1].

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxDKfxFrEuY

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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You're probably mistaking police flash bangs for fireworks. These devices are completely inappropriate for crowd control, but routinely deployed by US police in the protests.

Ah what is appropriate? Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done? Allowing mobs to burn down minority neighborhoods in Minneapolis?

The police abandoned the city blocks first. The intent was to purposefully set up a situation where cops can point to rioting in an area they intentionally vacated so riots could happen. Protestors have responded by sitting and watching documentaries about police brutality in that area.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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It's worth noting hundreds of police officers lose their life a year in the line of duty: https://www.odmp.org/search/year and many more than that receive serious injuries, even permanent spinal damage: One cop was paralyzed from the neck down in Vegas protests: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/14/police-officer-shot-... Retired police chief killed at 77 by looters in St. Louis: https://thehill.com/homenews/state…

Policing is not a dangerous job. According to the FBI, which publishes the data in the Uniform Crime Reports, from 1980–2018, an average of 85 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed per year. In 2018 there were 686,665 police in the US.

That's only a function of how good they are at what they do. They have to engage in over 10 million incidents a year. Any one of those could be a routine traffic stop that suddenly turns into a gang bust and an attempt is made on their own life. They don't have the luxury of foresight of knowing if they're coming home today or not. They know they're a target. Contrast that with your average aeron chair programmer and I'd say their job is incredibly fucking dangerous.

Edit: It's number 15 and only because 2019 was a near record low year, following decades of decline and improved equipment and training. That's a function of how good they are. And if you make them worse or non-existent, crime will go up.

While the construction industry is accidentally dangerous, cops are victims of intentional violence and hatred. They have to deal with drugged out, abusive, angry people all the time. They have to console rape victims. They have to help assess suicides, murders, deadly car accidents and all kinds of unpleasant bullshit. They see death on the job every single day. It's not a walk in the park. It causes unbelievable stress (especially in high crime districts) and it pays 1/3 of what a junior JS dev makes and they don't get stock options or grants

It's 5x more deadly than average occupation and 6x more injurious. It also causes loads of psychological and emotional stress because they have to deal with people going through some of the worst episodes of their lives...all the time.

https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/police-officers-2014.htm

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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If that's really what it is, calling it "Defund" is like marketing Coke by calling it "Shitty Sugar Water" and then issuing a 10 page explainer that says "Shit not included".

It's not quite that, but it does sound like cutting all funding. How about "the police have too much money"? It's not an imperative statement though. "Cut police budgets" has the same problem as "defund the police." Any better slogans? Something snappy like "we send the EU £350 million a week. let's fund our NHS instead."

Something like "Rethink" is way better. You can't sell "Abolish" or "Defund" without explaining what comes next.
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