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Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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Young folks: remember, you can always declare bk after a bad options investment. Unlike student loans.

Why should a bad options investment be better protected than studying?

Because you need to qualify for margin and the person who lent you the money agreed to lend it to you knowing that you could BK it. With student loans, the student usually doesn't have an income or assets so there needs to be more incentives to convince lenders to lend money.

Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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post #9

Young folks: remember, you can always declare bk after a bad options investment. Unlike student loans.

Why should a bad options investment be better protected than studying?

I think I’m going to call my congresspeople with the same question.

Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should a bad options investment be better protected than studying?

Because you need to qualify for margin and the person who lent you the money agreed to lend it to you knowing that you could BK it. With student loans, the student usually doesn't have an income or assets so there needs to be more incentives to convince lenders to lend money.

I don't see how that reasoning applies to one, but not the other circumstance.

Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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Imagine: "A 20 yo runs across highway in heavy truck traffic, dies". Well, yes. There is an obvious risk, and you either acknowledge this risk and act accordingly, or get struck.

Fortunately, if you do a very bad investment, you can sell all your assets, go bankrupt, and keep your life. Too bad the poor guy chose to take his life. But this again looks like not doing enough homework.

This is very sad. I wish these things were written in large red letters on the signup page for a trading account, and one would have to type them in first person, like "I realize that I can lose all my possessions as a result of a bad trade" (no copy-paste allowed) to even accept the terms of service.

[Edited: spelling]

Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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post #9

Young folks: remember, you can always declare bk after a bad options investment. Unlike student loans.

Why should a bad options investment be better protected than studying?

Because the Bush administration was behind it

Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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On the flip side, if this trader instead made 700k on options, he'd be celebrated as a hero who beat the market at such a young age and Robinhood would be an empowering role in elevating the young and disenfranchised. That is just the reality of the market. I hope this is not setting up so that the powers that be, and the market makers can demonize trading and then regulate away all the new blood who wants to get in on their game.

Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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Being able to trade with no experience and oversight is one of those things that seems like it should be illegal. I can't think of any way you can go so far in debt more quickly. Even if I tried to buy a bunch of cars or houses I can't afford I would just get rejected.

Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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post #3

I'm aware options are complicated, but is someone able to expand on how this is possible? I guess if you short calls you have unlimited downside, no? but it was my understanding that the entire point of options was to cap downside (don't exercise) and maintain upside

Robin Hood has various tricks allowing your buying power to be inflated artificially, there have been a bunch of reports about it.

It also appears RH users get margin accounts by default, at least from everything I've read. If that's true, it's probably the real problem.

In the EU retail traders are permitted access to margin, but brokers are required to eat any loss exceeding the value of the account. It's not enough, because it still means new "traders" are exposed to amplified volatility, thus ensuring their accounts will blow out much faster than they may have otherwise, and positions that might have recovered in a cash account get margin called and closed out at the worst possible moment.

Leverage/margin access should require similar levels of study as a private pilot's license

Re: Robinhood 20yo trader with no income loses 700k on options, takes life

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Does anyone know who this is and if there is a way to verify what he is saying is true?

I don’t know much about Robin Hood but people here seem to be indicating that it’s not possible to end up owing money like that.

The tweets also seem to advertise for two other twitter accounts that give investing advice.

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