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Just a lot of bitching and moaning. Why are y’all so offended? What we call things matter, read Wittgenstein
Anyone who is bitching about this doesn’t do shit to help With race relations in real life so why do people here give their opinion so much credence, besides this being a WASP nest
How is master in terms of git racially charged? (The article doesnt explain) Its the master copy/record. Its not the same as like the db master slave which i totally think needs looking at.
https://twitter.com/tobie/status/1270290278029631489?s=21
Git uses master on its own for the master branch.
Master has multiple meanings, only one of which is not racist, but insensitive to use.
Bitkeeper, an earlier vcs uses the terminology master/slave branches.
And that some how transfers to git? Because the kernel used to use bitkeeper?
Thats a stretch.
And github starts renaming it because?
Its virtue signaling instead of doing something worthwhile?
I'm a very anti-racist and anti-fascist person. I'm in favour of removing slavers and white supremacists statues. But these silly debates in the tech world makes me cringe a little and I wish our community was different. Isn't it of little importance how a branch is named? Let's focus on politics, on inclusion, on essential debates that our societies need to improve and let's not waste our energies changing stupid li…
Just curious: are you also a member of one of the groups impacted by these terms?
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First: that's just stringing assumptions together. But etymology doesn't matter. If it would, "negro" wouldn't be a word to avoid. Actual use would matter, but the context doesn't seem to warrant that.
Etymology matters if enough people think it matters. Language has meaning that is social, and if enough people dislike a meaning or see a word a different way, that word will change its meaning. So right now we are watching words change meaning.
And that has something to do with explaining the long string of assumptions that nobody is willing to address?
I don't think "main" is a good replacement because it loses the notion of it being a branch where the finalized and production ready code goes. It could just as easily mean "where we do all the work" (i.e. trunk based development, which I also dislike the name of), and I think that's potentially confusing to new people even more than "master" (although not as offensive to some people apparently). If I'm going to rena…
I remain astounded that nobody seems to want to use this, when there's already existing architectural practices surrounding it.
I guess now the whole master/slave tech should be renamed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology)
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To be 100% honest, when I first read the changes to whitelist/blacklist I thought, "Well, that's pretty stupid" but after reading your comment and a few others, it does actually seem quite racist. Like someone else mentioned, without the racist connotations I wouldn't know whether black or white list was the 'good' one. Language evolves constantly, always has and always will do. I'm not going to get hung up on things…
>without the racist connotations I wouldn't know whether black or white list was the 'good' one. Please. Humans are diurnal animals, and we depend on sight as our main sense. The idea of light good, dark bad is present in infants. It's likely much older than consciousness. I'm not denying that there's an unfortunate racist element correlated with it all, with the trend over the past few centuries being pale-skinned p…
Remember, black is not a color; it is a shade or absence of color just as white is a maximal amount of color. As you say, these associations developed perhaps tens of millions of years ago far before European people even evolved to be white. Any other associations developed in the relatively infinitesimal time of hundreds of years are peripheral.
I guess now the whole master/slave tech should be renamed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology)
Perhaps we should rename "kill" to "terminate" as well, because black people experience killings by police and may see it as offensive? Killings by police seem to be more disturbing to black people at the current time than slavery, or more raw at least. Even "terminate" may still be seen as offensive.
One might argue that slavery is more racially charged, but it's not any more than killing is. Millions of non-blacks were slaves across almost every single culture. If you look up news results for "killing" almost every single article is a bout a black killed by police, similar to how "slavery" would return news results almost entirely consisting of references to black slavery. If the meaning of words are fluid and more impactful to some than others, then "killing" and "slavery" are equally racially charged.
When I hear about slavery, I think about the poor people that did not have any freedom, not about black people. There have been african slaves in africa, asian slaves in asia, european slaves in europe and native american slaves in native american civilizations for thousands of years.
American people are projecting their very own and specific segregation problems onto the whole world by banning words universally useful.
Forbidding vocabulary like this only reduces the quality of debates on the long term and does not make anything better. That is how dictatorships works.
If you cannot say the words "slave" and "master", you cannot have a discussion about it, its history and influences on our society and on real people, because otherwise you would be deemed racist. In my country it became racist and implicitly forbidden to say "black people" or "arab people" because otherwise you are instantly deemed to be racist. So now we cannot talk at all about this topic. Politicians certainly won't risk their career by talking about it. So nothing changes, and nothing can actually improve (including the lives or people living today), because we cannot talk about it...
I will continue to use words however I want.