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GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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This is such a low impact and harmless change. Even if someone is not to agree with it, why be against it?

It's not like a small team inside GitHub is going to deplete the world's activism budget and this will hinder the advance of other definitely more important changes.

I'm sure they will find a way to offer minimal impacts, specially because it's just a default value that can be easily configured.

Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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Even incremental progress is progress. And sometimes, incremental progress can happen at such an obtuse angle that it becomes completely unmergeable back to `main`. But you can always point to the spirit of the branch.

I'm not sure this is incremental progress. If we rename the branches beyond Github's UI lots of things will break. And will it really affect racist attitudes even marginally? I can't see it myself. In which case, rather than progress, it's a distraction from anything that otherwise could afford real progress.

^ exactly my point. It's a distraction.

Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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Is it possible that you have trouble with other opinions?

Was the quote supposed to be an opinion? My opinion is that if you share someone else's thoughts in place of your own, then it's not your opinion. And Orwell is dead. I can't ask him what he thinks about this. edit for the non-insulting reply: I only flagged the low-effort non-contribution that started this thread and the insult below. Someone else is responsible for the rest. Your other comments, though not very sub…

What a self-righteous person you are.

Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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https://twitter.com/tobie/status/1270290278029631489?s=21

First: that's just stringing assumptions together. But etymology doesn't matter. If it would, "negro" wouldn't be a word to avoid. Actual use would matter, but the context doesn't seem to warrant that.

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Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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Without the racist background, how does one know which list does which? The new names actually describe what they do. The reason it may seem ridiculous is that racism is very, very deep in American culture. The country's culture goes back hundreds of years and is still slowly working on being less so. Here's an example: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/11/310708342...

I could be wrong, but I don’t think either term has the etymology tracing back to referring to a person’s race.

The word black and its etymology has nothing to do with race?

Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

#146

We could have a bunch of reform: from reducing the police force size and budget, to removing pointless offenses ("no victim no crime"), to reduce interaction with police, to eliminating all government programs so to eliminate financial dependency on the government (create a toehold for systemic racism)... Yet, we're renaming git master to git main. The profound and widespread impact of this will surely sweep the nati…

How we use our everyday language is incredibly important to fighting systemic racism. The words we use influence how we think. To use an extreme example, I've worked with and along side people who were in and around human trafficking, and I know that little things can have a very big impact. To put it another way, for a very long time we celebrated Christopher Columbus as an American hero. How do American Indian peop…

You’re essentializing races. First - how do you know first hand that any of these people care? Second - why would it be a 1:1 correspondence that simply being a certain ethnicity means you hold a certain opinion?

And beyond the essentialism, you’re arguing for a set of actions and policies that infantilizes and victimizes ethnicities. Not to mention, polarizes everyone involved in the discussion.

Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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I kind of understood when people didn't want to use "master-slave." I didn't agree with it, especially in the context of databases or other redundant distributed systems where the "slaves" really were required to follow all of the commands from the "master," and this relationship was better captured by this term than the bland "primary-secondary." (However, I actually prefer "primary and secondary" when talking about…

> The word "master" is overloaded

Overloading of words is no longer allowed. See also: people can’t refer to their non-binary gender as “NB” because that means "non-black” in the context of race; polyamarous people can’t refer to their relationship style as “poly” because that is stealing the word from the Polynesians; etc :P

Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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First: that's just stringing assumptions together. But etymology doesn't matter. If it would, "negro" wouldn't be a word to avoid. Actual use would matter, but the context doesn't seem to warrant that.

Etymology matters if enough people think it matters. Language has meaning that is social, and if enough people dislike a meaning or see a word a different way, that word will change its meaning. So right now we are watching words change meaning.

> So right now we are watching words change meaning.

On the Internet, TV, News and in OSS projects where the main developers report to their new corporate masters, sorry, leaders.

Meanwhile said leaders are laughing in their luxury locker rooms about useful idiots and are using the exact same terminologies as before with their old boys networks.

Truth is too much for HN. Enjoy your fairy tales, gurus, social constructs, webshit apps and continue to live in a dream world constructed by others.

Re: GitHub to replace “master” with alternative term to avoid slavery references

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How we use our everyday language is incredibly important to fighting systemic racism. The words we use influence how we think. To use an extreme example, I've worked with and along side people who were in and around human trafficking, and I know that little things can have a very big impact. To put it another way, for a very long time we celebrated Christopher Columbus as an American hero. How do American Indian peop…

You’re essentializing races. First - how do you know first hand that any of these people care? Second - why would it be a 1:1 correspondence that simply being a certain ethnicity means you hold a certain opinion? And beyond the essentialism, you’re arguing for a set of actions and policies that infantilizes and victimizes ethnicities. Not to mention, polarizes everyone involved in the discussion.

> First - how do you know first hand that any of these people care?

Because I talked to them and they told me.

> Why would it be a 1:1 correspondence that simply being a certain ethnicity means you hold a certain opinion?

Where was that claimed? That's a strawman.

> you’re arguing for a set of actions and policies that infantilizes and victimizes ethnicities.

Source? Do you have some studies that show these specific actions and policies infantilizes, just for example, black people in the USA?

Here is a source that shows microagressions cause psychological damage [1].

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/174569161982749...

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