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What? If most "advanced" users turn off telemetry then they want a terrible product?
Then they're valuing other things more than a UX that caters to them.
The other day, our 7 year old told me that [ is 5B and ] is 5D. I was quite impressed that he knew this, and I asked him how he knew it. He told me it was from reading the address bar in Roblox. Needlessly hiding technical details from kids is going to limit their learning.
Is that a meaningful piece of learning, though? I’ve been doing webdev since the 1990s and still look up character codes if I need them.
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Then they're valuing other things more than a UX that caters to them.
Yeah, like their privacy? Since when did getting a good product that respects your privacy become an oxymoron?
But if a whole subset of users exclude themselves from that tool, they're going to get the UX that's only as good as the other tools in the toolbox are capable of building.
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True, but then I’m not sure Mozilla would be able to survive if Google stopped their deal with them due to say, adding ad-blocking to Firefox by default. Not the same, but it certainly influences the direction of FF.
This is true, but then again absolutely all browsers are being funded by ads. We are talking Edge, Safari, Brave, all of them. Did you know that Apple does in fact get more money from Google than Mozilla does, for keeping their search engine as the default? 12 billion dollars in 2019. Do you think Apple would activate ad blocking by default and risk losing that many billions of dollars? Speaking of which, Safari's ad…
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Yeah, like their privacy? Since when did getting a good product that respects your privacy become an oxymoron?
Automatic metrics are only one tool in a toolbox that includes focus testing and design aesthetic. But if a whole subset of users exclude themselves from that tool, they're going to get the UX that's only as good as the other tools in the toolbox are capable of building.
Safari has been this way since 2014. I've never seen any pushback on Apple doing it over the past six years . It's genuinely a benefit for the vast, vast majority of users, where the only important piece of information really is the domain name, to check which site you're actually on. And for more info, you can just click. Copying the URL becomes no more difficult. The URL path beyond the domain is as useful to most…
The people who use Safari is exactly the demographic that this change targets. Chrome users includes most developers who are the ones to complain.
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Automatic metrics are only one tool in a toolbox that includes focus testing and design aesthetic. But if a whole subset of users exclude themselves from that tool, they're going to get the UX that's only as good as the other tools in the toolbox are capable of building.
You know software with good UX used to exist before telemetry became a thing?
But telemetry gives web developers an extremely simple and convenient tool to know what users are actually doing without even inconveniencing the users with explicit questions. I've done web development with a good telemetry set built into a page, and it is extremely informative regarding how users actually use the tool, as opposed to how the UX designers have predicted flow through the tool will be.
To give a concrete example, a user might tell you that configuring permissions is "hard," and sitting with them during over the shoulder testing (which is expensive) might tell you a little bit about why. But without even asking the user, page telemetry can tell you that they are making a transition jump from the permissions configuration page to the page listing all of the resource names, because that's what's slowing them down---the UI didn't give them enough information to configure the resources because we assumed they knew what the resources were named.
For a browser, anonymized usage stats can tell you whether most users keep all their bookmarks flat at the top of the bookmark bar or deeply nested in multiple subfolders, and that's usually valuable for deciding whether you want to emphasize a flat bar or folder management in the design.
If most power users disable automatic anonymous telemetry and also use deeply-listed folders, no one should be surprised if deeply nested folders doesn't get better.
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Thats admirable, but you are a minority within a minority.
Honestly, if most "advanced" users turn off the features that Google uses to gather data to improve UX, it's strong signal UX isn't important enough to "advanced" users for Google to optimize for it.
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The URL bar takes up a huge amount of screen real estate and is a piece of information that the user almost never needs once they have confirmed they navigated successfully to the desired page. Developers are a special case user and capable of handling advanced UIs that hide information until it is needed. It's iconic but it's a UI space resource hog. To improve browser experience, sometimes one has to be willing to…
To improve browser experience all you have to do is use a computer that doesn't suck. The fact that your primary browser is on a tiny phone display is a problem with phones, not with browsers. Browser for phones can evolve to match the disabled nature of their device's but lets hope such gimpings don't filter back into actual desktop computers.