One thing that IF guys try to not talk about is that the only way to lose weight is by eating less. If you eat same amount of calories with IF then you won't see the same weight loss benifits.
Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
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Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
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Please let me point you to https://leangains.com It has a ton of info - Martin Berkhan is really first person who popularized 16:8. One of advises there is that you can have black coffee with some milk, because milk is really low on calories. Also, from his site again, 10g of BCAA pre and postworkout does not change expression of fasting markers in blood. 10g of BCAA is ~40 calories. Put differently, it is equal to t…
> milk is really low on calories Excuse me? One cup of milk has about the same as, or a lot more, calories than a cup of Coca-Cola. 149 for whole milk (91 for skim). 98 for the coke.
One cup of milk is about 242g, that means milk has energy density 0.62 calories per gram, much less that sugar (4 calories per gram) or fat (9 calories per gram).
Also, it looks like 80 calories will not change fasting state of your body (see above about 20g of BCAA). You may put 80 calories / 0.62 calories per gram = 129 grams of milk or half of cup, into your coffee or tea and not interrupt your fast.
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#153My experience with IF has taught me that I’m much better at complete denial, rather than moderation. So if I want to reduce my caloric intake it works better for me to say No to everything for 16 hours and only eat for 8, then to try to just eat less and in moderation all day. It also applies to carb and other reductions. If I allow myself any bread, sweets, etc, I will eat too much. It’s easier for me to eat 0, then…
Agreed. The rules of the 5:2 diet that I do are easy. There's no calculation or fudge factor. Just one simple rule: If it's a Monday or Wednesday, no I can't eat it. Else, I can. This works so much better for me than counting calories every day, the "cheating" is eliminated.
Do you not eat at all on Monday and Wednesday?
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. The rules of the 5:2 diet that I do are easy. There's no calculation or fudge factor. Just one simple rule: If it's a Monday or Wednesday, no I can't eat it. Else, I can. This works so much better for me than counting calories every day, the "cheating" is eliminated.
Do you not eat at all on Monday and Wednesday?
I do eat. It's not a complete fast, it's more like "under 600 calories" (1).
The thing is, I already know where those calories are coming from, starting with the yogurt pot for breakfast. There's three items (under 200 calories each) with no room for extras.
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#155My experience with IF has taught me that I’m much better at complete denial, rather than moderation. So if I want to reduce my caloric intake it works better for me to say No to everything for 16 hours and only eat for 8, then to try to just eat less and in moderation all day. It also applies to carb and other reductions. If I allow myself any bread, sweets, etc, I will eat too much. It’s easier for me to eat 0, then…
My problem is, I still would have 8 hours in which I must exercise restraint. Packing away 4k calories in a single meal is trivially easy. There is no way to avoid the need for restraint and moderation.
>Packing away 4k calories in a single meal is trivially easy
Does it take must restraint to just eat like 2K calories in a 8-hour span?
Never had much problem with that during IF, and I used to have a BMI of over 35, so I was quite the eater...
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#156An accelerated version of intermittent fasting is longer term fasting - ideal minimum being 3 days, although even only being able to handle 24 hours at first is a great start; the next ideal number of days is 5 days, then 10 days, then 20 days based on different changes that occur at those periods. I always recommend people watch this by Dr. Jason Fung: 'Therapeutic Fasting - Solving the Two-Compartment Problem' - ht…
I’m all for fasting but a 20-day fast without medical supervision sounds crazy.
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#157> How do you start? Agatston told me to start by skipping one meal a day, usually breakfast. (Yes, you can have black coffee in the morning, into which he adds ghee, a type of clarified butter, and coconut oil to reduce hunger pangs. It’s not your typical cup of coffee.) This may be ok to start with, though black coffee by itself has the ability to kill hunger without these crutches. Adding ghee or coconut oil in bla…
What is often not acknowledged or even mentioned is that many people have difficulty with fasting because they are addicted to food - either addicted because of euphoric and opiate numbing effects that wheat specifically can cause, or from the numbing of sugar and carbohydrates - as inflammation has a depressant effect on the nervous system. The addiction to food is also self-medicating. If people don't realize this…
where do you get this claim that cancer grows better during fasting, all the data ive found suggests the opposite
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't remove it I replaced it with needing calories. It's not reductionist to point out that some things are better than others, even when you're used to the worse option.
OK sure. If you remove one predicate and change it with something completely different, you can invalidate any assertion. gg
This be a man o straw.
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#159My experience with IF has taught me that I’m much better at complete denial, rather than moderation. So if I want to reduce my caloric intake it works better for me to say No to everything for 16 hours and only eat for 8, then to try to just eat less and in moderation all day. It also applies to carb and other reductions. If I allow myself any bread, sweets, etc, I will eat too much. It’s easier for me to eat 0, then…
Since I'm in sync with everyone else in this, ie, it's easier for me to shut my mouth completely than to eat in moderation, I'm guessing there's some biological drive behind this.
Maybe that happens because we, as animals, have our bodies more adapted to eat as much as we can while food is available than to risk losing that opportunity for another unknown meal in the future. That to say that it is a hardwired behavior we have, a survival strategy that makes sense in the wild.
Problem is we don't live in that environment anymore. So, I think fasting works because our bodies trigger another natural response, that of focusing our senses to the search of food, kind of accepting that food is not available. Thus, it's easier to simply not eat at all instead of trying to eat moderately.
These are my 5 cents.
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I mean, I wouldn't trust most bariatas to make a good coffee, let alone myself with an advent calendar. May if you go to norway you might change your mind.
I now live in Norway, and have for the past 7 years. And I still have this opinion. The advent calendar is from Kaffebox, and I definitely recommend it, by the way.
Fair enough :) Guess I was pointlessly trying to back up a generalisation.