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Re: Bicycle Geometry Terms

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Trail on road bikes, racing and not, seems to be universally in the range of 55-60mm (across frame sizes, too). I suppose it depends on what kind of racing you're doing, but some kinds of bicycle racing involve cornering agility / nimbleness, and you want a shorter trail for that.

Randonneur bikes (also road but with fatter 650Bx42 tires) typically have longer trail (typically in the seventies) because they carry front loads.

Long meandering post on trail.. after rim brakes vs disc brakes and wheel size, trail is probably the next most contested subject in bikenerdom.

SeanLuke provides a good example with the caster. I also recommend reading Dave Molton’s blog (who’s built frames longer than most people here have been writing bloated JS SPAs) for more:

Trail, fork rake, and a little bit of history - https://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/trail-fork-rake-a...

Now porteur bikes and typical randonneuring bikes often have lower trail. People are often focused on the trail numbers, but the simple reason is to position the front load (handlebar bag or stack of newspapers) on or right behind the front axle. Framebuilders do this by increasing the rake (fork offset) to stretch out the front axle, which results in decreased trail. The reason is that you want the weight at the fulcrum to reduce any "inertia" when steering--so the bike remains easy to steer with the additional weight.

If you’re not intending on riding your bike with a front load most of the time, then you probably do not want a low trail bike as they are more sensitive to rider input on the handlebars when there is no weight. Also, randonneuring is just an activity, so you can ride any bike with any geometry you want. But in America, especially on the West Coast, there is a bit of bike-cosplay in the randonnerding scene, so folks like to ride bikes built in the old French Constructeur style.

Lastly, SeanLuke is probably not familiar with mountain bikes, but modern geometry for XC and enduro bikes is towards slacker headtube angles (resulting in higher trail) for stability when descending.

For anyone interested in geometry, I highly recommend browsing Bike Insight's category section: https://bikeinsights.com/categories

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Look into bikes with 650b wheels for this.

Pay attention to BB height, specifically. That'll dictate ground clearance and comfortable saddle height. 650B wheels are often fitted with bigger tires, and can have the same effective diameter as 700C wheels with smaller tires (depending on specific tire size).

This is correct. I was in a hurry and didn't explain at length as i should have.

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Randonneur bikes (also road but with fatter 650Bx42 tires) typically have longer trail (typically in the seventies) because they carry front loads.

Long meandering post on trail.. after rim brakes vs disc brakes and wheel size, trail is probably the next most contested subject in bikenerdom. SeanLuke provides a good example with the caster. I also recommend reading Dave Molton’s blog (who’s built frames longer than most people here have been writing bloated JS SPAs) for more: Trail, fork rake, and a little bit of history - https://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/2007…

> Lastly, SeanLuke is probably not familiar with mountain bikes, but modern geometry for XC and enduro bikes is towards slacker headtube angles (resulting in higher trail) for stability when descending.

I'm certainly not familiar with modern mountain bikes. Very interesting that some have slacker headtubes for downhill, but it definitely makes sense.

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Everyone should think about this comment the next time they’re wow’ed by some link here. When you’re knowledgeable about something and read an article/blog/whatever about that topic, it’s shocking how much is either somewhat off-base or just plain wrong . The articles that aren’t about your areas of expertise are no different.

I agree with your general point but I think OP is being a bit picky about this particular page. The descriptions are pretty good and wheelbase is indeed a common bicycling term (I see it all the time in reviews and it’s listed on the product pages for the last three road bikes I bought—I just checked). This website overall is a great resource for bike nerds, specifically their bike database; there’s nothing else like…

> I think OP is being a bit picky about this particular page.

That's fair. I didn't look at the other pages on the site, and in general the descriptions are solid.

To be clear, I was amused that it made the front page not because of inaccuracy, but because I don't think of HN as a community very interested in cycling.

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The description of trail could be a lot better, given how important it is. It's effectively the degree to which the front wheel acts as a caster. When you push a shopping cart the caster wheels automatically straighten out and trail behind the steering axis in a straight line. The front wheel is doing the same: when moved forward it resists being steered and wants to go straight. The degree of trail effects how much…

how true! i own a brompton. strida was worse. i also own a low gravity worksman delivery bike.

yours is the best concise exaplanation of trail ive heard.

THANK YOU.

still, almost all folding bikes have shit steering. lots of trail AND a small front wheel!

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Although I'm an avid reader, this is my first ever comment. I built this site https://comparemtb.com/ to give people a way to visually compare the geometries of many different mountain bikes. I'd be interested in any feedback. Thanks.

Also https://bikeinsights.com/

Thanks, this is awesome! Love that you can add new bikes too.
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