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Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Insightful, but I am confused by the final paragraph: > I'm tired of this anti-Web and anti-accessibility SJW nonsense “SJW” must have a meaning I’m not familiar with, because Social Justice Warriors would be pro-accessibility, not anti.

"SJW" is a pejorative at this point because the key part isn't about the ideas being expressed but the motivations behind advocating those views. It implies that despite outward appearances it's all rather self-serving, a form of getting validation and superficial virtue signaling. So when you see major rewrites, major redesigns and controversial changes in popular products you'll often find an agenda behind it. Some…

This talk of “SJWs” in connection with hiding the URL is nonsense. You’re arguing with yourself, not with progressives.

Social justice work definitely includes accessibility. If hiding the URL was about making the web more accessible to the visibly impaired or whatever, you’d have a point worth discussion. A tradeoff between making the web available to everyone and reducing friction for those who don’t need accessibility is a worthy topic to debate.

But this isn’t the case. Nobody is demanding that URLs be hidden for the benefit of inclusion.

Likewise, social justice work involves removing exclusionary and stereotyped language. But hiding the URL bar isn’t about that, either. Nobody is arguing that “http” has racist, classist, or sexist implications.

And if you’re trying to argue that “SJWs” is a blanket term for anyone you dislike, then you are falling into a terrible hole when it comes to both reasoning and constructive debate. Hanging baggage on other people for actions and objectives they do not pursue is deeply broken thinking.

Now to the good point in your comment:

What you speak to about “thought leadership” and “making a name for themselves” is something you find in every organization, and if I had to conjecture, I’d say that progressive people in tech are no more likely to be ambitious than conservatives, libertarians, or just plain people-trying-to-make-a-living.

Your argument, at its core, is about people who do things for their own personal gain at the expense of the product, the company, and the customers/users.

It’s a worthy point to explore, and I suggest that disentangling it from your feelings about progressive voices would improve your argument immensely.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Reading URLs is actually really hard - even for experts. This video covers the problems well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wB1VY3Nrc

This is bad for web security, since the registerable domain is the part you have to trust, but it's surprisingly difficult to figure out that part.

However I feel a bit uneasy about this since URLs are important and tell you where you are on a website. I prefer Firefox's approach which emphasises the registerable domain in the URL bar and fades out the rest of it, making it easier to spot the important bit. However it's still quite subtle - it could do with being a clearer distinction.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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>SJW nonsense Uh, what? It’s changing the UI to hide parts of the URL. Look, I’d prefer it the other way too, but we have to choose the right words. The thought process shouldn’t be “I’m mad, what else makes me really mad like this? Oh yeah social justice workers. This UI change is therefore like social justice work.”

If anything, there's, from my experience, a good overlap between the SJW types, and the people who push for accessibility/ a11y as the cool kids call it, as it sorta falls under the inclusion initiatives. EDIT: I was clearly disagreeing with the parent badmouthing SJWs wrt accessibility...

Sure (I'm not sure that Venn diagram is a perfect overlap, but whatever), but AMP is bad for reasons other than accessibility.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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I disagree with the decision strongly, but I'm a developer and probably a "power user". A casual user might not even know what a URL is. Do you know there's a staggering amount of users who type "google.com" into Google?

> A casual user might not even know what a URL is. And this will add a few extra hoops for them to jump through before they learn, so that they'll never have to leave the reassuring embrace of Google's ad trackers. How convenient. :)

I mean... not to be contrarian but does the average user need to know a URL?

Do I need to know an address to drive my car somewhere?

My knowledge that a place exists and I want to go there is sufficient to get me there, without having the physical address memorized.

As a power-user I obviously navigate through URL far more than the average user, but I am not convinced that say a 50 year old nurse using my web software needs to ever touch a URL even a single time, or that it would be beneficial to her user experience to even know what it is.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Isn't this a good example of "feature creep"? I dont see any reason why it makes a browser more useful when the URL is partially hidden. It reminds me of a company which developed a product which was more or less done. So the SWE manager and the product manager made up new (pretty useless) features just to tell their bosses the devs are busy and the team must stay intact.

It makes their serving of AMP less transparent, which is a good thing for them. I guess.

No, they already did that last year: https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/04/16/amp-pages-will-now-...

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You and maybe the 3 other people that might also notice if a site is serving different pages for http vs https. If it's accessible in the browser its already part of the world wide web so what information is it even conveying?

> so what information is it even conveying? I feel like I'm going in circles. They're two different web pages. Possibly with entirely different information. Possibly run by entirely different people. Possibly with entirely different trust levels and threats. It conveys which of the two web pages I'm looking at. How is that not useful information?

All WWW was supposed to mean was HTTP accessible. Now that every domain why should a user using a http* browser have to specify that they intend to access it via http* when they have no other choice? Either the server responds or it doesn't. www.foo.com and foo.com both return http traffic then they are both part of the world wide web.

The specific of how you've decided to run your site or serve your pages is irrelevant. You may serve a page depending on if the http request came over port 80 or some other port or via http or https or at this time or that time or other.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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I'm against this. But: it's 2020 and still a huge number of people I deal with every day type the name of our product into their search bar and then login at the first site returned. Most don't know the difference between a browser and a specific website. It's all just a big Smush to them apparently.

It's $current_year is never a good excuse. $people not knowing stuff should not mean that everyone should get dumber to match $people.

> $people not knowing stuff should not mean that everyone should get dumber to match $people.

Exactly. We should push on the opposite direction (educate people and make the concepts clearer).

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Insightful, but I am confused by the final paragraph: > I'm tired of this anti-Web and anti-accessibility SJW nonsense “SJW” must have a meaning I’m not familiar with, because Social Justice Warriors would be pro-accessibility, not anti.

"SJW" is a pejorative at this point because the key part isn't about the ideas being expressed but the motivations behind advocating those views. It implies that despite outward appearances it's all rather self-serving, a form of getting validation and superficial virtue signaling. So when you see major rewrites, major redesigns and controversial changes in popular products you'll often find an agenda behind it. Some…

SJW was (once more) popularized and turned into a pejorative by the sexist, anti-feminist crowd during gamergate and it is still primarily used by similar people trying to discredit liberal activism. So it's best to only use it when you're objectively confident a sociopolitical contribution is primarily agenda-driven and by itself counterproductive.

Alternatively, people can contribute to turn back that term into something neutral or complimentary. Protests, for instance, are a good opportunity to find people who can serve as role models.

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Insightful, but I am confused by the final paragraph: > I'm tired of this anti-Web and anti-accessibility SJW nonsense “SJW” must have a meaning I’m not familiar with, because Social Justice Warriors would be pro-accessibility, not anti.

How about this idiocy? https://9to5google.com/2020/06/12/google-android-chrome-blac...

Changing from blacklist and whitelist to blocklist and allowlist is one of the many small things we can do that makes our black colleagues feel seen, heard, and welcome in our workplaces. I support it. No one thinks changing language is enough to eliminate the systemic racism oppressing black people in the US. Eliminating that will require work and personal change. If you can't even stop using black to mean negative in the workplace and substitute it with more accurate words - the new words are clearer - then you likely are not prepared for the real work ahead. I personally refuse to work for any company that is not committing to that work.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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"SJW" is a pejorative at this point because the key part isn't about the ideas being expressed but the motivations behind advocating those views. It implies that despite outward appearances it's all rather self-serving, a form of getting validation and superficial virtue signaling. So when you see major rewrites, major redesigns and controversial changes in popular products you'll often find an agenda behind it. Some…

This has nothing to do with so-called SJWs. Please think twice before using politically toxic language in a thread that isn't even about politics. I guess it pleases you to tell a story about how this trivial UI design decision is actually the result of the machinations of your political enemies. But there is absolutely zero evidence for that. Do you really find it so hard to imagine that the decision was made with g…

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