The actual title includes the phrase "works for many"
Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
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Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#92I would prefer we would just call it "eat less"
Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#93An accelerated version of intermittent fasting is longer term fasting - ideal minimum being 3 days, although even only being able to handle 24 hours at first is a great start; the next ideal number of days is 5 days, then 10 days, then 20 days based on different changes that occur at those periods.
I always recommend people watch this by Dr. Jason Fung: 'Therapeutic Fasting - Solving the Two-Compartment Problem' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk
Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Adding ghee or coconut oil in black coffee means it’s no longer effectively zero calories, and this is not technically fasting. I guess it depends on how you choose to define your "technical" terms. For example ( https://www.bulletproof.com/diet/bulletproof-diet/bulletproo... ): "The technical definition of “fasting” describes not consuming a single calorie. When your body isn’t burdened with the task of digestion…
Please take care when your Internet nutritionist calls ketosis a "fat-burning state". While true, it's also a lot like calling the Internet a "photon transport mechanism". If you experiment with such things, make sure you get the whole picture and is otherwise healthy. Ask anyone with diabetes why.
T1 diabetic people are at risk for ketoacidosis, which is a different condition than ketosis.
The important issues I found have to do with “keto flu” (you have to supplement elctrolytes or you’re likely to feel bad with weird symptoms for the first few weeks) and with some pre existing conditions; otherwise keto (and IF) seem to be as safe as any other diet, and likely much healthier.
Did you reach other conclusions?
Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#95It "works" exactly like calorie restriction, there's no magic to IF.
From a literature review[0]:
>Twelve studies used calorie-restricted diets as a comparator to IF and found equivalent weight loss in both groups.11,15-17,19,22,27,28,33,41-43 Study duration was 8 weeks to 1 year, with a combined total of 1206 participants (527 undergoing IF, 572 using calorie restriction, and 107 control participants) and demonstrated weight loss of 4.6% to 13.0%.11,15-17,19,22,27,28,33,41-43
Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The quirk on this one is that occasionally you skip breakfast, too. I've done intermittent fasting (IF) for the past 5 years. Apart from a black espresso every morning, I skip breakfast all the time (not just occasionally). Skipping breakfast is a psychological trick (that doesn't work on everybody, but works well enough to make a difference). The real goal is to entice oneself to eat less by eating fewer meals in…
> Skipping breakfast is a psychological trick Perhaps, but for some people it's also a physiological risk. I eat about 1200 calories for breakfast as my body otherwise cannot function for the day. Whether fasting is appropriate depends on one's body composition, daily exertion routine and physiological factors. For most people I'd recommend exercise instead of fasting.
You wrote "...my body otherwise cannot function for the day"? What have you tried? How certain are you that you body cannot break the morning fast?
Many people who do intermittent fasting go without eating from, say, 8 pm to noon the next day (16 hours). If you sleep between ~10 pm and ~6 am, in my experience, you might have a little bit of hunger at some points in the morning, but you can get used to it. I typically felt great on days I did it.
Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#97An accelerated version of intermittent fasting is longer term fasting - ideal minimum being 3 days, although even only being able to handle 24 hours at first is a great start; the next ideal number of days is 5 days, then 10 days, then 20 days based on different changes that occur at those periods. I always recommend people watch this by Dr. Jason Fung: 'Therapeutic Fasting - Solving the Two-Compartment Problem' - ht…
I’m all for fasting but a 20-day fast without medical supervision sounds crazy.
Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#98It "works" exactly like calorie restriction, there's no magic to IF. From a literature review[0]: >Twelve studies used calorie-restricted diets as a comparator to IF and found equivalent weight loss in both groups.11,15-17,19,22,27,28,33,41-43 Study duration was 8 weeks to 1 year, with a combined total of 1206 participants (527 undergoing IF, 572 using calorie restriction, and 107 control participants) and demonstrat…
IF offered better glycemic control for Type II Diabetes (see the last sentence):
> Synthesis All 27 IF trials found weight loss of 0.8% to 13.0% of baseline weight with no serious adverse events. Twelve studies comparing IF to calorie restriction found equivalent results. The 5 studies that included patients with type 2 diabetes documented improved glycemic control.
Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#99For years I haven't been eating breakfast long before the IF craze. Mostly out of laziness. Buying all the ingredients, making sure they don't expire, preparing the food etc. is quite some time, so I gradually dropped the habit with no adverse effect. I live alone, but oh boy when people learned that I don't eat breakfast they'd get so defensive and try to tell me how unhealthy it was and how I must be underperformin…
> get so defensive and try to tell me how unhealthy it was and how I must be underperforming because of that etc.
I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the candy industry, ahem, the breakfast cereals industry's ads and sponsored "research" is behind that.
Opening Wikipedia on Kellog's (first guess of where I might find sources on this):
> The FTC had previously found fault with Kellogg's claims that Frosted Mini-Wheats cereal improved kids' attentiveness by nearly 20%.
> In 2016 an ad telling UK consumers that Special K is “full of goodness” and “nutritious” was banned.
And from one of the sources on ftc.gov:
> At about the same time that Kellogg agreed to stop making these kinds of false claims in its cereal ads, the company began a new advertising campaign promoting the purported health benefits of Rice Krispies, according to the FTC. On product packaging, Kellogg claimed that Rice Krispies cereal “now helps support your child’s immunity,” with “25 percent Daily Value of Antioxidants and Nutrients – Vitamins A, B, C, and E.” The back of the cereal box stated that “Kellogg’s Rice Krispies has been improved to include antioxidants and nutrients that your family needs to help them stay healthy.”
> The expanded order against Kellogg prohibits the company from making claims about any health benefit of any food unless the claims are backed by scientific evidence and not misleading.
I, too, heard from my parents that "breakfast is the most important meal of the day!" and that I shouldn't skip it, and you can rationalize it with "sure, it's the first thing, a good start is half the work" or something. But that's not the same as reading the original research or at least doing a cursory search online -- something that my parents aren't used to questioning; and if they look it up, confirmation bias might play a big role.
So I don't think you can fully blame the people that got defensive about this, though I am sorry you had this experience.
To end on a more positive note, the European Union requires food to only make preapproved health claims. It feelt a bit like censorship or at least overreach when I first heard of this and I read that the number of claims made reduced very significantly (also correct claims, since it's now expensive to prove it truthful) if I remember correctly, but I guess this does stop a lot of this misinformation, at least within the EU. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_claim#European_Laws)
Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your black coffee tastes disgusting on its own, you need to buy better coffee.
To be fair, if you are used to coffee with milk and sugar, black coffee tends to taste badly, in no small part because of simply eating how one is used to eating. This isn't special to coffee, just very noticeable in it. If this is one's issue, though, the solution is pretty easy: Wean yourself off. I did such a thing, and it has probably been one of the best things I've done. The cream was the first to go, as I was…
This just isn't true. It might be true for your coffee and or how you make it, but a good barista could make a black coffee any form of coffee drinker would like, be it a tea-like fruity filter, clean espresso, whatever. If you don't believe me, you've never been to a good enough cafe. It's unbelievable, the variety of black coffees.