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The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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post #181

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This seems to imply left = good, right = bad, so when a leftist party does something bad it’s reframed as right wing.

Not at all, and I don't think right-wing people are bad; they just think the status quo is optimum, is a global maxima. For example, the 'vanilla' right in Brazil in XIX century managed to delay the end of slavery by 6 decades. They thought the country would collapse without slave labor to sustain the agribusiness at the time. Were they inherently bad? Of course not; they thought they couldn't do any better (and of c…

> they just think the status quo is optimum, is a global maxima.

I don’t think that’s a fair characterization of right wing thought, either in general or specifically in Brazil.

In general the conservative view is to improve the status quo without throwing away the good things that have been achieved. It’s an understanding that it’s much easier to destroy things (even if unintentionally) then it is to build them.

I’ll agree the left sometimes good at identifying problems, but the proposed cures are often worse than the disease, as seen with the recent abolish/defund the police idea that had quickly gained traction in the left.

To give a more concrete example: Brazil is under a right wing government after 16 years of left wing ones. The current administration seems to want to reduce the size of the public sector, which has massively increased in the last decades, and decentralize government structure (one of its campaign slogans was “less Brasilia, more Brazil”, referring to a reduction of the influence of the federal government in state or city issues).

So one can argue that this is a right wing administration that wants to change the status quo built along the current past decades.

On the other hand, a left wing administration would probably try to increase the size of the public sector even more, or at least increase the benefits public workers have over private sector ones, so you could say they wouldn’t be happy with the status quo either.

In either case, no side would seem to ever consider the status quo as a global maxima. Therefore I don’t think this definition is valid or useful to define what is right or left wing.

In fact, you said it yourself, when you mentioned that everyone likes the status quo when it benefits them. It seems to me every one would be happy with at least some aspect of the status quo, and unhappy with others. Is everyone simultaneously right and left wing? If so, isn’t that classification somewhat useless?

I think the status quo issue is more about corporatism than it is about left and right. For example, I know people who describe themselves as right wing/conservatives, but they are public sector workers, and therefore angry at any mention of possible reductions of their privileges.

I will also dispute that progressive views are what makes society go forward. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren’t. You don’t have to look much further than the issues of cancel culture, online shaming and censorship against people who fail to use the right words or publicly defend the right causes, which are undoubtedly a result of modern left/progressive thought. I think we’re definitely going backwards in this case.

Anyway, sorry if this was too much rambling, it’s a bit late here. Good night :)

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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post #417

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Easy to be impervious to one mob when you have an equal but opposite mob to support you.

And yet, his so called mob has done... nothing here. Which, I know, is very frustrating to those who are salivating at the thought of seeing them provoked. The unanswered cries of "where's the 2FA crowd now?!" have, admittedly, been very satisfying to watch.

are you fucking retarded?

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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post #462
post #343

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This is factually correct for anyone complaining. You can argue about some other places, but this was an obvious authoritarian play for a photo-op. Military officials are condemning this - why is this up for debate? (hint, its not.) https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/national-guard-troops-deploy... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/politics/military-nati... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-threatens-to-mobili…

Per your article - "Moments before, police had cleared largely peaceful demonstrators from the area". Largely would infer there were some demonstrators using violence. I don't disagree that it was a bad move politically.

So from my original response - if you find yourself bending backwards to justify violating civilians first amendment rights, getting called a fascist is an appropriate label.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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> So they did the next best thing: they changed to please the market in a way that makes money. Grabbing a lot of attention, as cheaply as possible, so that you can sell it to the highest bidder. Accurate. Agreed. And a completely fair business decision. We all have bill to pay. Unfortunately, they (wrongly) continue to sell this new version of their craft (?) as journalism. The masses buy in - confirmation bias is a…

> Unfortunately, they (wrongly) continue to sell this new version of their craft (?) as journalism. The masses buy in - confirmation bias is a powerful force - and we are today exactly where we should be: Truth is fluid. How is the general public supposed to learn what is happening though? If the entire MSM had adopted this new business model, and with the whole fake news thing that's been drilled into people's heads…

There are an increasing number of streaming independent journalists (at least that’s what they claim) that support themselves through patreon. These small ops can often go into excruciating detail on their pet subject matter and follow the story rather than construct a narrative. They often tend to go back and correct themselves when new information is discovered - something MSM is loathe to do (where’s the corrections on collaboration/cooperation now that we know the basis for all the noise was campaign financed muck?)

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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post #101

The content of 'Buildings Matter Too' article is worth reading, if you haven't seen it you definitely should. To me the editor resigning is not good. https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/floyd-protest-center-cit...

Is this really so hard for feeble-minded drones to understand? Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Yes, that's right. I don't agree with the full package deal, but I think it's far better than the alternative Again: You get what you vote for. Using 'I disagree with what my party is doing, but I'm voting for them anyways' as an attempt to avoid criticism doesn't work. That's the nature of US politics. If you vote for one party despite them doing some heinous things, then you tacitly support what they're doing. If y…

And if I also disagree with some of what the other party is doing, then what? "Don't vote" seems to be the only option you have left. And I strongly disagree that that's the best option.

Then you compromise and pick the party that you think best accomplishes what you want.

But part of that compromise is that you accept the party is going to also do things you don't like. Which is something you can't escape criticism for. Voting is approval for that party. You're choosing to value what Party B does over Party A, which means you weigh the negatives of Party B as being less of a problem than the positives.

That doesn't mean you get to avoid those negatives when someone else calls you out on who you decided to throw your lot in with.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Former hero of mainstream journalism no longer fits in with mainstream journalism so of course it’s destroying itself. Perhaps Matt Taibbi is used to being a visibly elite journalist who isn’t on board with a new status quo that won’t benefit him the same. People are sick of yesterday’s politics and looking to remake things. The media is always going on about it’s important role in our political system. It needs a go…

This all might be true, but is ad hominem... what facts did Taibbi get wrong or shade unfairly in his piece?

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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I’m getting to the point of just switching off. Whatever your opinion, there will be many others who deeply and vehemently disagree with you and do so with passionate, fiery, certain-to-be-correct righteous indignation. Carry your true opinions in your head and share them with no one.

I would mostly agree with this. Be kind to others, do something useful for the world, don't be a jerk, but otherwise, debating opinions is generally a waste of time.

What happens though when one group says (as they recently have) that silence is insufficient, not just on agreeing with not being a racist, but the wisdom of their proposed solution to the problem? I've seen the claim that silence is violence... what do we do then?

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy to be impervious to one mob when you have an equal but opposite mob to support you.

And yet, his so called mob has done... nothing here. Which, I know, is very frustrating to those who are salivating at the thought of seeing them provoked. The unanswered cries of "where's the 2FA crowd now?!" have, admittedly, been very satisfying to watch.

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