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The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by cmdshiftf4 »

meroes wrote: post #100
Shivetya wrote: post #91

What I find most reprehensible about this whole situation is that more and more members of the left regulate political discourse, no make that any discourse, by defining any opposing view as illegitimate, bigoted, and now violence. As in, they are taking the position that their moral superiority is without question and anyone who does not ascribe to this has no rights and we are nearing the point of the same having n…

Or it's in response to and a reversal of the moral superiorirty Christians and conservatives have held over this country for several hundred years. Maybe it's an overcorection, but that's how these things always work.

Say what you want, but religions have largely been successful in society/nation building.

Marxism has wrecked most things in its path before, and it looks to be doing so again.

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Post by relaxing »

rb808 wrote: post #101

The content of 'Buildings Matter Too' article is worth reading, if you haven't seen it you definitely should. To me the editor resigning is not good. https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/floyd-protest-center-cit...

The content had nothing to do with the editor resigning. It was entirely about the headline.

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Post by giardini »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #346
arkades wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand your comment correctly. Are you saying that black communities should be reasonably crime-free before they can expect institutions not to systematically discriminate them and enact retributionless, extralegal violence upon them?

What I'm saying is that when black people kill more than ten times more black people than cops kill black people, somebody is not wrong to ask why the focus should only be on the cops.

AnthonyMouse says >"when black people kill more than ten times more black people than cops kill black people "It is worse than that: black people murder more than ten times more black people than all white people murder black people:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

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Post by zipwitch »

JPKab wrote: post #164
wmeredith wrote: post #23

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Correct. And they definitely do not. The Democrats are not “left”. They’d barely pass for center across the pond. They are just another flavor of The Party of oligarchy and cronyism in control of this country. There are some significant differences in the platforms, but it’s mostly around wedge issues by design.

I share your opinion. My own theory (without any real evidence) is that the oligarchs use race to divide the white working class from the non-white working class. A specific example is the video on systemic racism going around. It correctly points out redlining (a truly horrific practice), but also talks about black students having to attend underfunded schools. I attended predominantly black, underfunded, public sch…

Using race to divide labor is a time-proven capitalist tactic. Go back to Bacon's Rebellion in 1676, where the system was made explicit after the mixed-race uprising again the oligarchs of the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon%27s_Rebellion

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Post by tlear »

Daishiman wrote: post #456
tlear wrote: post #373

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Failed to take a knee or prostate yourself in front of whatever? Fired, cancelled etc Having grown up during perestroika. I remember saluting the red banner and blood soaked monster Lenin portet while reading Archipelago Gulag at home. Never though US will get here

Seriously? Kids in the US would get in all kinds of trouble for not respecting the Pledge of Allegiance back in the... 90s, not the 70s. It's only been in the past decade that anything that's not complete and vehement agreement with the "support the troops" mantra has been tolerated by the mainstream. It's things like these that make me very skeptical of the intentions of the article. The idea of the American public…

Did they purge Tankies, Maoists, Trotskyist etc from universities? Because when O went to Uni half of social science department was some sort of -ist in the 90s

See how fast you get fired if you don’t take a knee when department head tells you to for BLM.

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Post by thisiszilff »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #281
mushbino wrote: post #121

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What is "excessive pseudo socialism" and "Locust capitalism?" Also, I see your account was created an hour ago.

> pseudo socialism Example: The US healthcare system. The financing is through socialist policies (Medicare, state assistance, regulatory requirements/incentives for employer-provided insurance), but the system itself if thoroughly corrupt and inefficient. Example: "Affordable housing" subsidies/requirements. Instead of actually addressing high housing costs in general, set aside an inadequate amount of substandard h…

For the US healthcare system you can add poor people without insurance using emergency rooms as their primary point of care. Emergency rooms are required to treat them, they can't pay, so those costs get shifted to other people. Worse, the care they receive is usually the bare minimum and there's a good chance they end up back there. Overall a horrifically inefficient way to socialize medical costs.

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Post by 11thEarlOfMar »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #461
pm90 wrote: post #400

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I would advise care when reading it. It’s not immediately clear but it uses very hand picked facts to paint a very different picture of what’s actually going on. I call these kinds of articles disinformation-lite; not outright lies but selectively picking events to portray a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t really hold true. I’ll cite a specific example to make this case. See this paragraph: > Cotton did not call f…

Something that Cotton also said recently on Twitter: "No quarter for insurrectionists, anarchists, rioters, and looters." Literally, "no quarter" means that combatants are to be killed rather than taken prisoner. Figuratively, it means to give one's full effort to achieve an overwhelming victory. Especially with the inclusion of anarchists, it's hard to reconcile that with the idea that he really wants to cast this a…

I can agree that anarchist can be a belief system or lifestyle that can be practiced without breaking the law. Anarchism as a belief, anarchist as a noun.

Insurrection, rioting and looting are actions that are breaking the law. How long should this behavior be tolerated? Perhaps it's just a phase the people need to go through in order to release pent up energy. The concern is, though, that each time a city is burned and looted and people are beaten and killed and the rest of the country sees no consequence to the rioters, looters and insurrectionists, it lowers the barrier to partaking.

By reporting only the mayhem, the press becomes the gateway drug to anarchy.

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Post by Khaine »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #87
CydeWeys wrote: post #65

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> But as a group that needs to survive, it's a working strategy. It's not working though. A lot of people canceled their NY Times subscriptions after the "Send in the troops" op-ed. Massively pissing off your customer base like that is not a winning move.

The newsroom revolted against the editor that published the "Send in the troops" article and got him fired. So for this anecdote it was the right strategy, it just didn't happen soon enough.

From the same organisation that published an op-ed from the Taliban.

The whole thing is absolutely bizarre

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Post by Mirioron »

pm90 wrote: post #400
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #134

For those in the comments that haven't read the article, I highly recommend you check it out. While the comments are talking about the survival of news media and "tone-deaf" titles, the bulk of the article is about the Overton window[1] shifting to the point where rigerous journalism questioning outrages of the time is becoming untenable, weakening the news overall. It's a very good read. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org…

I would advise care when reading it. It’s not immediately clear but it uses very hand picked facts to paint a very different picture of what’s actually going on. I call these kinds of articles disinformation-lite; not outright lies but selectively picking events to portray a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t really hold true. I’ll cite a specific example to make this case. See this paragraph: > Cotton did not call f…

>It’s very clear to anyone reading Cottons article that the call is to deploy troops to subdue he largely peaceful protests

Is it? Because to me he very clearly and explicitly talks about people that are breaking the law - rioters and looters.

The opinion piece by Cotton literally says this:

>Those excuses are built on a revolting moral equivalence of rioters and looters to peaceful, law-abiding protesters. A majority who seek to protest peacefully shouldn’t be confused with bands of miscreants.

>But the rioting has nothing to do with George Floyd, whose bereaved relatives have condemned violence. On the contrary, nihilist criminals are simply out for loot and the thrill of destruction, with cadres of left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death for their own anarchic purposes.

How can you read these lines and say that it is very clear to anyone that he meant deploying troops against peaceful protesters?

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