He has been in limbo for so many years.... I wish that I knew what to do to get this resolved.
Julian Assange in Limbo
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because he revealed evidence of one of the worst crimes committed by humanity in the last 100 years? 4 million innocent people murdered in illegal wars is a lot of blood on the hands of the American people. And, we all know how much they hate to be embarrassed by such things ..
>4 million innocent people murdered in illegal wars This phrase has always bugged me. How do you carry out a 100% legal war? War is by its very nature an uprooting of the normal system where we resolve conflicts in a peaceful and organized fashion.
Outside of international law and ethics, technically it's not legal for the US to go to war without approval from Congress. So legally speaking, either the war was not a war, or an illegal one. You can look into all the undeclared wars (or police actions) by the US on Wikipedia.
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#84> After long research, his team of 120 counterintelligence officers hadn’t been able to find a single person, among the thousands of American agents and secret sources in Afghanistan and Iraq, who could be shown to have died because of the disclosures. Sounds like the NSA who couldn't point to a single instance of stopping any type of terrorist attack/operation despite collecting anything they could get their hands o…
"Sounds like the NSA who couldn't point to a single instance of stopping any type of terrorist attack/operation despite collecting anything they could get their hands on." This is kind of a misrepresentation of the situation. Manning leaked mostly diplomatic cables, the contents of which he was unaware of, thereby harming his whistleblower credentials. The contents were not what we would regard as 'intelligence infor…
>I wonder what caused them to turn.
He wanted Trump to win the 2016 election.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the suggestion was that the actual war was illegal, mostly proven by now, there was no basis for it. As for what happens in war, we can take a look at what Geneva convention tried, but that’s not the debate.
This implies that there are political motives that justify killing thousands to millions of soldiers and civilians. Can you or anyone here provide a non-exhaustive list of these justifiable motives?
There can be non "political" motives, like self-defense from outside aggressors, but I can't think of much besides that (and even that doesn't really cover civilian deaths)
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#86Julian took an action that has consequences. The US is (in)famous for its 'soft power'. While the US wont outright kill him they will leverage their soft power to neutralize his ability to harm future operations.
He played the espionage game without an explicit state sponsor, jail time was the best outcome he could hope for. Sadly because he doesn't have a state sponsor the likelihood of an exchange is.... low.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
> flight to asylum in Russia. Ironically Snowden tweets about freedom of information from Russia, where Putin literally kills journalists
Snowden is like a thorn in the side to some people in the US government. Putin probably like him right where he is.
No different than all of the Soviet dissidents we gave asylum to for no reason other than to piss off the soviets.
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#88While I don't really like JA, tend not to trust him, and disagree with a lot of his choices, it is unquestionable that he suffered a lot of injustice; while the public turned on him and continues to fall for simplified coverage of all matters involving him. The latest example, I believe, was the report on his life at the embassy and how he received the email archive in 2016. [1] is the popular CNN version, while a we…
I 'turned on him' because as I learned more about him I trusted his motives less.
If I thought his motives were pure, I would give him more slack but I think he has nefarious motives based on his indiscriminate releases. 150 years sounds right for a spy at his stature without a state sponsor, good thing we aren't at war or there may be an argument to kill him.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was really Greenwald and Poitras, and the Guardian just happened to be Greenwald's main outlet at the time. However WikiLeaks did help Snowden with his legal defense and flight to asylum in Russia.
> flight to asylum in Russia. Ironically Snowden tweets about freedom of information from Russia, where Putin literally kills journalists
Ironically the US, the "land of the free", forced Snowden to stay in Russia because that's where he happened to be when the US canceled his passport.
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#90Article doesn't even cover recent findings of extensive spying during his stay in the embassy, it's close to a white washing. Meanwhile HN intelligencia will bury this off the front page and vote brigading will allow critical voices to raise u To the top and flag those critical. Discussion here is impossible. Autodead comments, like I said, impossible to have a fair open discussion here.
If you didn't routinely break the site guidelines you'd find it easy enough to participate. Note that this thread is on the front page.
> If you didn't routinely break the site guidelines you'd find it easy enough to participate.
Tell that to Ian Murdock.