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Julian Assange in Limbo

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Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was never charged with rape, and neither of the women who were involved in those cases ever accused him of rape. I encourage you to read their own words.

I'm a victim of sexual assault, I know how to read the words and how to read charges.

I’m a victim of sexual assault as well, and what you said is not true.

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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If Americans allow assange to be hounded without end, it’s extremely dangerous for journalists everywhere in the future. This is a matter of the state being allowed to commit crimes in secret and whether journalists are allowed to report on it without fear of lifelong torture

Edit: Manning was tortured by being denied sleep for years, and trump openly advocates for it. Right now he’s in solitary confinement which is also a form of torture

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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If Americans allow assange to be hounded without end, it’s extremely dangerous for journalists everywhere in the future. This is a matter of the state being allowed to commit crimes in secret and whether journalists are allowed to report on it without fear of lifelong torture Edit: Manning was tortured by being denied sleep for years, and trump openly advocates for it. Right now he’s in solitary confinement which is…

If Americans allow assange to be hounded without end, it’s extremely dangerous for journalists everywhere in the future.

I'll take that one further: it's extremely dangerous for anyone in the future.

This whole saga has been another example of what happens when the people in power don't get their way: they will abuse existing systems until they do. Or at the very least, until they've made enough of an example of somebody so the next person won't be tempted to do the same.

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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It should be no surprise that these people might retire from military and join local state police and enjoy killing similarly less fortunate American citizens > helicopter pilots exchange banter about the slaughter in the street below: ‘Ha, ha, I hit them,’ one says. ‘Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards,’ the other says. They have mistaken the camera held by one of the journalists for a rocket-propelled grenade laun…

And these are the scumbags we're supposed to honor, thank, and in the future remember fondly? Memorial and veterans' days should only apply to soldiers who fought in wars against their will (drafted) or had a basis in reality. Last one was WWII. The scumbags who fought in later wars should question their life decisions. Some of them regret it already. Good.

Wasn't there a draft for the Vietnam war? And probably also Korea? One of the issues I can remember there is that less-well-off people couldn't buy themselves out of the draft. This affected minorities especially.

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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> After long research, his team of 120 counterintelligence officers hadn’t been able to find a single person, among the thousands of American agents and secret sources in Afghanistan and Iraq, who could be shown to have died because of the disclosures. When the Taliban killed someone for doing something that offends them, such as providing education for girls, did they generally leave a message explaining how that pa…

Presumably counterintelligence officers put more effort into their research than "ask the Taliban why they did it."

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was never charged with rape, and neither of the women who were involved in those cases ever accused him of rape. I encourage you to read their own words.

I'm a victim of sexual assault, I know how to read the words and how to read charges.

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Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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post #51

> After long research, his team of 120 counterintelligence officers hadn’t been able to find a single person, among the thousands of American agents and secret sources in Afghanistan and Iraq, who could be shown to have died because of the disclosures. When the Taliban killed someone for doing something that offends them, such as providing education for girls, did they generally leave a message explaining how that pa…

If you don't know why Taliban killed someone, then you can't prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the defendant's actions caused that death and can't convict anyone for that. If there's no evidence for participating in a crime, you can't charge people for that crime.

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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> After long research, his team of 120 counterintelligence officers hadn’t been able to find a single person, among the thousands of American agents and secret sources in Afghanistan and Iraq, who could be shown to have died because of the disclosures. Sounds like the NSA who couldn't point to a single instance of stopping any type of terrorist attack/operation despite collecting anything they could get their hands o…

I don't see that as being a solid point because it is pretty challenging to point to an instance of a rare event not happening due to your actions.

The more pressing issue is that the NSA is a group of people. Nobody knows exactly what they are doing, or why, and the only information that comes out is "trust us, we're the good guys". They have a huge budget. Odds are they are massively corrupt and doing stupid things that either do nothing or make America less safe (like mass wire-tapping).

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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post #74
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And these are the scumbags we're supposed to honor, thank, and in the future remember fondly? Memorial and veterans' days should only apply to soldiers who fought in wars against their will (drafted) or had a basis in reality. Last one was WWII. The scumbags who fought in later wars should question their life decisions. Some of them regret it already. Good.

Wasn't there a draft for the Vietnam war? And probably also Korea? One of the issues I can remember there is that less-well-off people couldn't buy themselves out of the draft. This affected minorities especially.

Yes, but not everyone that went was drafted. Obviously, I make an exception for draftees. Poor people got fucked over the most. Still don't deserve a holiday though, let alone two, especially when dodging was an option.

Re: Julian Assange in Limbo

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I forget. Anyone know why we’re treating Julian Assange like the worst criminal that ever existed? “ Those two shootings were a thousand times repeated, though the reports were rare in admitting that the victims were civilians. More usually, the dead were automatically identified as ‘terrorists’ caught in the act, regardless of evidence to the contrary. ” Here’s an argument against Leetcode. There are real patterns i…

> Anyone know why we’re treating Julian Assange like the worst criminal that ever existed?

Because the CIA had an explicit goal of destroying his reputation in the media, and getting the most damaging headlines possible run about him in an effort to destroy any meaningful support he may have garnered by exposing war crimes.

For example: he was never once charged with any sexcrime in any country, but you'd never know that from the headlines which almost universally referred to "charges" when there were none.

It's a real shame what the US military intelligence community will do when threatened. Snowden himself explicitly specified, at least twice, that they would have summarily executed Barton Gellman if they thought that he was the single point of failure for the release of the Snowden documents, for example. They operate entirely beyond the reach of oversight or the law.

None of this is an accident. They couldn't lay hands on him for a while, so plan B was a character assassination in the media.

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