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The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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It's a little rich seeing Matt Taibbi, of all people, raising the alarm about "moral manias".

What are you referring to?

Matt Taibbi's hyperbolic demagoguery is so notorious CJR actually published a piece asking people to stop dunking on him so much.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Correct. And they definitely do not. The Democrats are not “left”. They’d barely pass for center across the pond. They are just another flavor of The Party of oligarchy and cronyism in control of this country. There are some significant differences in the platforms, but it’s mostly around wedge issues by design.

I share your opinion. My own theory (without any real evidence) is that the oligarchs use race to divide the white working class from the non-white working class. A specific example is the video on systemic racism going around. It correctly points out redlining (a truly horrific practice), but also talks about black students having to attend underfunded schools. I attended predominantly black, underfunded, public sch…

Civil Rights era leaders were killed for attempting to unite black and white labor. Your theory has evidence, as far as I'm concerned.

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> I always question, why does a Black life matter only when a white man takes it?... I mean, Lacy does have a point that this kind of question in the context of the protests is nothing more than distracting. The protests are about systematic discrimination of black people. No one questioned that black people can also be perpetrators - it's just irrelevant to the topic at hand. Would nazis running concentration camps…

> The protests are about systematic discrimination of black people. No one questioned that black people can also be perpetrators - it's just irrelevant to the topic at hand.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

There is something to be said for asking someone to start by getting their own house in order.

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Serious news is expensive, and at this point, a niche market. I suspect that's correct. It's hard now to find any news outlet now that sticks to "Who, What, When, Where, Why". This is a consequence of pay per click, probably. The left and the right now both have a checklist of mandatory positions required to avoid punishment. Those positions are in many cases contrary to fact. That's not good. Denial has become a cor…

I'm 48. My family had a newspaper subscription (in my case, the Miami Herald). I've been a consumer of news all my life, mostly print media. (My family rarely watched local news except for when a hurricane was headed our way, but would often watch programs like 60 minutes.) When was the news ever "Who, What, When, Where, Why?" It's always had a slant as long as I remember. Here's "the most trusted man in America" cal…

But he was "the most trusted man in America". People across the political spectrum trusted him to reliably and accurately report what's what. There are figures like that today - Joe Rogan comes to mind - but I don't think anyone could become so trusted while adhering to the speech codes outlined in the article.

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I think it's fairly clear that there will not be a cultural reconciliation, at least not in the sense of an acceptance of mutual differences. What even is the "cultural right" anymore? It has devolved into a movement defined by opposition to the left's social initiatives.

You can swap "left" and "right" in your comment and it would lose no substance and it's meaning would not change.

I don’t agree. The defining difference between the left and right to me is the propensity to advocate for change.

The cultural left is a hodgepodge if smaller issues under one larger umbrella. You’ve got people who care about racism, climate change, money in politics, access to abortion, etc. All of whom are trying to change society in some way to deal with big problems we have. As a result, it’s incredibly messy. The groups don’t always overlap well nor fall in line.

On the other hand, the cultural right is more or less defined by an unwillingness to change society. They like it as it is, and are generally afraid of change. They’re scared even more by the sight of the lefts constant infighting and imagine that it would be chaos if they got their way. Plus abortion and gun control alone keep many of them in check.

They’re generally not defined by a vision for a better America, just a whiter one that doesn’t really change from what we’ve got.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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I think it's fairly clear that there will not be a cultural reconciliation, at least not in the sense of an acceptance of mutual differences. What even is the "cultural right" anymore? It has devolved into a movement defined by opposition to the left's social initiatives.

You can swap "left" and "right" in your comment and it would lose no substance and it's meaning would not change.

What are the right's social initiatives? Can you name three?

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post #283

> I always question, why does a Black life matter only when a white man takes it?... I mean, Lacy does have a point that this kind of question in the context of the protests is nothing more than distracting. The protests are about systematic discrimination of black people. No one questioned that black people can also be perpetrators - it's just irrelevant to the topic at hand. Would nazis running concentration camps…

> The protests are about systematic discrimination of black people. No one questioned that black people can also be perpetrators - it's just irrelevant to the topic at hand. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? There is something to be said for asking someone to start by getting their own house in order.

Thank god this rubbish isn't how the legal system functions in any civilized country.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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> The protests are about systematic discrimination of black people. No one questioned that black people can also be perpetrators - it's just irrelevant to the topic at hand. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? There is something to be said for asking someone to start by getting their own house in order.

Thank god this rubbish isn't how the legal system functions in any civilized country.

Who is talking about the legal system? This is the political system.

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This is exactly what I was talking about. You make a bunch of assumptions about peoples' political opinions that are incorrectly portraying them as centrists and supporters of nazis if they don't adopt your world view. "Us or them" is killing America. Lack of nuance and intelligent discourse is destroying us. There's more to the extreme left than "Everyone deserves to be treated equally and with dignity." Politics in…

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Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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> I always question, why does a Black life matter only when a white man takes it?... I mean, Lacy does have a point that this kind of question in the context of the protests is nothing more than distracting. The protests are about systematic discrimination of black people. No one questioned that black people can also be perpetrators - it's just irrelevant to the topic at hand. Would nazis running concentration camps…

Writing about the protests, my mom recently told me 'It is a sad fact that most of the crime is black on black' among other things that are SO frustrating that I gave up on trying to reply back. Like to me that statement is a non sequitur, and says either: that the cause of increased violence is systemic adverse conditions and outright theft of wealth/quality of life over 400 years making communities tough to succeed…

I also strongly believe that the cause is the former - centuries of institutionalized persecution, a vicious cycle of poverty, etc. Why not respond with that? I can understand it being frustrating but we can't just shut off discussion of uncomfortable truths.

I have encountered many situations in my own life where liberal-minded people will outright deny claims like that. Unfortunately those are the statistics; denying facts helps no one. There is an explanation for those numbers - that is what the response should be.

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