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Re: Ask HN: Tips for students before starting their first job

#151
> Which advice did/would have helped you landing your first job after university?

Every job I've ever gotten was through friends. Including my first job.

I got my first job because one of my college friends got a job and recommended me. I got my second job because one of my college friends recommended me for it, after we worked together at the first job, which I helped him get. I got my fourth job because one of my friends from my second job worked there and vouched for me. (My third job was with a startup where I just approached the founders and told them I want to work there, and they said not right now, but we became friends and eventually they hired me when they had money).

Now most importantly, all of these college friends were made while working in technology positions in college.

My point is, it's never too early to start building your network. Make friends with people in the same career track now, show them how good you are at your job, return the favor when you're in a position to help them, and then reap the benefits throughout your life (not to mention the bonus of lifelong friendships).

Re: Ask HN: Tips for students before starting their first job

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don't. http://www.paulgraham.com/boss.html do what you can to not work for anyone but yourself. even if it means reducing the scope of what you can work on and earning less. and the hardest thing of all: find people you like, respect and trust - and stick with them. loyalty and fidelity above all else. yes this sounds weird, but to me sleepwalking through life, being constantly distracted and dealing with office poli…

I'm don't think there's a dichotomy here. I've had jobs with a spectrum of autonomy. I like working for an organization because I can focus on my expertise. I don't want to market, do sales, or chase investors. To each his own.

excellent, you've provided another great life lesson: seemingly benign but nonetheless false assumptions can have disastrous consequences. so much talent and potential has been lost to hubris.

remember: don't ever rely on intelligence alone when making critical life decisions, it will only serve to dissuade you. after all, it's not the reasonable men who change the world.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for students before starting their first job

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I’ve only recently learned this but letting go of your ego and being easy to work with rather than constantly believing you are “right” is going to get you extremely far and you’ll be able to learn how people think and be able to judge if you want to model them (or absolutely not). So basically if you think your boss knows nothing, got there by luck and you are finding everything they do irritates you; it’s you not t…

I had to learn the opposite lessons: - sometimes, you are right, and you need to assert your opinion - your confident boss might not know what they are doing, - and getting involved with your work makes the work a lot more fun.

I think the default for me is probably to bluntly say what I think. Maybe what you learned is needing to “assert your opinion” more. I think either way taking your personal ego out of what is said has been an important lesson for me.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for students before starting their first job

#154

My pro-tip for when you land your first job: You'll be tempted your first week to " clean up " the code you find there. Don't.

That said, if there are small cleanup opportunities in your first commit related to the commit, that's usually ok.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for students before starting their first job

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post #134

don't. http://www.paulgraham.com/boss.html do what you can to not work for anyone but yourself. even if it means reducing the scope of what you can work on and earning less. and the hardest thing of all: find people you like, respect and trust - and stick with them. loyalty and fidelity above all else. yes this sounds weird, but to me sleepwalking through life, being constantly distracted and dealing with office poli…

That was a fun read. OT: It helped me dress up a strange thought (read: dumb idea) I had where I pondered what would happen if the person representing the group (10) was the last one hired, had the lowest pay, the least contractual security and can be fired easily by the group. Put the tree upside down. They would function like an elected representative or a janator. It seemed fun to have a bunch of young inexperienced junior hires managing the show. The next level in the tree could work the same way. Let the juniors hire someone to represent them. It would no doubt create tons of new problems but it would get rid of many of the classical ones (that seem to scale with size) In stead of managing people we could simply go back to managing work(?!)

Re: Ask HN: Tips for students before starting their first job

#156

> Which advice did/would have helped you landing your first job after university? Every job I've ever gotten was through friends. Including my first job. I got my first job because one of my college friends got a job and recommended me. I got my second job because one of my college friends recommended me for it, after we worked together at the first job, which I helped him get. I got my fourth job because one of my f…

I felt a lot more comfortable about the idea of "networking" once I started thinking of it as "making friends with people".

When I first tried networking, I thought that I was supposed to help other people, and then ask those people for favors. To me, that felt really unnatural. It felt like we were just using each other.

Now I see that my friends are the people who help me the most. They're people who I care about, and who care about me. So when people tell you to "network", I would just translate what they're saying as "go make friends".

Re: Ask HN: Tips for students before starting their first job

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- Until you build a network job hunting is a numbers game. Be ready to apply to hundreds of places.

- Be willing to move. During the great recession a lot of my buddies wanted to stay near home and it hurt them a lot. I moved across the country and have been the better for it.

- Be thoughtful about your partner/spouse choices. I married admittedly younger than most do now but your long term partners/spouse will have a huge impact on things like work and where you live. Make sure those are aligned well.

- Don't lie on your resume but don't be shy either.

- Work on your network as much as you can. Hiring is still a networking game no matter how much we wish it weren't. People like to hire people they know.

- Stay out of debt! I spent the first couple years paying off bad college credit card mistakes.

- Start an emergency fund. I would say at least $1000 but calibrate for where you live.

- You're probably living as cheap as you will ever live. Stay that way as long as you can. Don't be too eager to get rid of roommates or upgrade lifestyle any faster than absolutely necessary.

- Start a good routine of exercising and eating right. It only gets harder later and time is not forgiving for putting it off.

- Start being thoughtful about what you have on social media. This will depend on where you work, live, and want to do but give your last few years of online life a good pass and consider purging anything that doesn't represent who you are now.

- Takes courses on ethics, philosophy, speech, and other things that help you to think clearly and speak confidently.

Re: Ask HN: Tips for students before starting their first job

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- Until you build a network job hunting is a numbers game. Be ready to apply to hundreds of places. - Be willing to move. During the great recession a lot of my buddies wanted to stay near home and it hurt them a lot. I moved across the country and have been the better for it. - Be thoughtful about your partner/spouse choices. I married admittedly younger than most do now but your long term partners/spouse will have…

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