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Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at China's Request

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Re: Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at China's Request

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Post by drummer »

gonehome wrote: post #14

“The reality is Zoom operates in more than 80 countries and continues to expand, which requires compliance with local laws even as Zoom seeks to promote the open exchange of ideas.“ This kind of rationalization isn’t just a problem with Zoom, Apple does the same thing - blocking podcasts and other apps in the Chinese market (also the Taiwan flag emoji). This is wrong. What’s legal and what’s right are not the same th…

I agree, the old forms of slavery were also legal but never morally right. We should focus on what is morally right.

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Post by ct520 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #24
ct520 wrote: post #12

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LOL for real. I will cry no tears for FB when they get what’s coming to them. Will be the MySpace of my kids time.(if it’s not already is)

FB has had solid revenue and net income for many years, so much that it’s one of the most valuable companies in the world. It’s not comparable to MySpace, and definitely isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

Uh - ok

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Post by crazygringo »

Medicalidiot wrote: post #349
crazygringo wrote: post #342

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So explain to me -- since Zoom is not a Chinese company, then what's the purpose of falsely claiming that it is? If it isn't meant to tap into some kind of prejudice against Chinese people, then what is the purpose of spreading false rumors like that? You can of course be against the Chinese government. But when you start fearmongering that a public American company is "actually Chinese", "more than commonly discusse…

>Zoom's product development team is largely based in China The main players are under CCP command. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Video_Communications#Work...

A company's "main players" are its board and senior management. "Under command" means they report to someone.

Can you please explain how you think the board members and management of Zoom -- an American publicly traded company -- report to the CCP?

Because that is certainly not what your Wikipedia link says.

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Post by ct520 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #236
DeusExMachina wrote: post #195

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While Facebook and MySpace are different in many ways, the average lifespan of a S&P 500 company is below 20 years. Facebook could very well be an outlier. If it isn't, it could definitely go away in the coming years. In any case, that shows that its revenue/income is not a predictor of anything. When a company spirals down, it does so at an accelerating rate and can quickly burn through any amount of cash.

Facebook is very far from an average SP500 company, as are the rest of the big tech companies. They drive the market indices with how much investors think they are worth and will be worth. And they have levels of cash that tech (or any) companies in decades past could only dream of.

Ok - you are right . History is wrong. Facebook until 3000. My bad for ever doubting you based on facts and history

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Post by bad_user »

pphysch wrote: post #337
bad_user wrote: post #204

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1. Fuck the US government. 2. Fuck the Comunist Party of China. I don't fear for my life when saying the first statement, I've said it in the past on US soil. And I'm saying it right now on a US-based website. People fear for their lives when making the second statement, esp the Chinese. People wouldn't even be able to read it as it would get quickly censored. For this reason alone this whole discussion is completely…

One of the governments you mentioned has been under constant pressure of regime change & other geopolitical oppressions for 75+ years, the other is the one orchestrating said regime changes. It's not surprising that one is more defensive than the other in this regard. Is that activist a real Chinese citizen or part of a CIA campaign bent on massive destabilizion? Everything is on the table. The US is also far more de…

Right, so the reason for why the CPC is oppressive towards its own people is because of the US? Got it.

You're talking btw with someone born in communism, in Eastern Europe. We blamed the imperialist enemy from the west too and our government saw that enemy among our own people. Everything bad that happened was due to the west trying to undermine our efforts.

All I can say is fuck the CPC and fuck you too.

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Post by katbyte »

jrockway wrote: post #232
katbyte wrote: post #203

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This. As outraged as I have been by America’s actions towards their protestors it’s honestly a lot different then HK let along tiananmen square (which my iPhone refuses to recognize.. well that’s fucked up yet expected I guess, and least Taiwan and 🇹🇼 Are there) Trump is doing trump but a lot of politicians and others have spoken out and marched - would that happen in China?

My iPhone doesn't attempt to censor tiananmen square. Typing "tian" into the home screen search bar yields "tiananmen square", "tiana", "tiananmen square massacre", and "tiana musarra".

Maybe it’s chrome? I got a red squiggly line under tiananmen and presumed it was iOS. That’s my bad

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Post by s3r3nity »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #347
bad_user wrote: post #194

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US copyright is enforceable overseas due to trade agreements. As a US citizen do you think you can infringe EU's copyright law? It is true that US's culture has spilled into the terms of use of some of these services. I still remember the "napalm girl" being censored on Facebook for public display of nudity. However these aren't examples of individuals being targeted by the US government. Also just because there are…

There are plenty of countries that US copyright law is enforced on a US company's platform even though there are NO trade agreements with the US with respect to copyright. Otherwise, piracy would be allowed to be hosted in numerous countries. It's a blatant double standard.

> It's a blatant double standard.

Stop with the CCP propaganda.

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Post by heavyset_go »

idrios wrote: post #315
totalZero wrote: post #289

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Would you please give me an example of something that the US government is currently censoring based on morality?

I think he's talking about the conversation going on about FB, Youtube, Twitter removing posts that are hate speech, inciting violence, spreading misinformation, etc.

I'd love to know the OP's location where free speech protections are stronger than those of the US, so much so that it is entertaining to watch moderators enforce the rules of their internet forums from afar.

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Post by _8j50 »

gruez wrote: post #297
_8j50 wrote: post #162

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You do realize that what you're saying is a political opinion? Political dissent and a free press are democratic rights not human rights. China is not a democracy. Democracy is not a moral right and many would also say it's a wrong. Things like national sovreignity mean something. You don't get to decide if other country's laws are bad, the people of that country do, and if they don't like it, it's up to them to do s…

>human rights wait, what are human rights then?

I can tell you what they are not: they are not biased political opinions that are stated without legitimate authority. Just like obligations, rights need a legitimate accepted authority to be valid. For example, in the US declaration of independence, the founders address king george, their statement about fundamentsl rights is based on the fact that these rights are self-evident as the will of a just God , and since obviously the king's authority derives from God, his violation of these rights against americans gave the americans a right to reject king george's authority.

You maybe a secularist,but even then you still need a legitimate authority all humans are subject to. That could be a global treaty (UNDHR isn't) or something else but there simply is no legitimate authority that can implement a universal human right. As things stand now, each sovreign nation's government declares what rights it's subjects have, both as citizens and humans. Not that I agree with the way things are, but I do believe in each nation's right for self determination. But I think there is a fundamental question of why and if a nation should maintain any sort of economic or diplomatic relations with a country that has contradictory views on human rights.

It's not that I agree with China's stance on human rights, but more that the west needs to take care of human rights in it's own borders first and even then how can you support China by maintaining trade relations and at the same time claim they violate human rights? Why is the west supporting human rights violations?

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