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New Fonts on macOS Catalina

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Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#11
post #9

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? I'd imagine a cleverer UI would be to have them available in a text editor's font chooser, but with some sort of indication that the font will be downloaded if you choose to use it. Although obviously, then, people who are somewhere without internet connection will complain about not being able to use many fonts...

Probably the font APIs weren't really designed for this in mind so it can't just be dropped in as-is.

Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#12
post #9

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? I'd imagine a cleverer UI would be to have them available in a text editor's font chooser, but with some sort of indication that the font will be downloaded if you choose to use it. Although obviously, then, people who are somewhere without internet connection will complain about not being able to use many fonts...

Probably the font APIs weren't really designed for this in mind so it can't just be dropped in as-is.

Yep, this feels like a first step rather than an end state.

Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#13
post #9

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? I'd imagine a cleverer UI would be to have them available in a text editor's font chooser, but with some sort of indication that the font will be downloaded if you choose to use it. Although obviously, then, people who are somewhere without internet connection will complain about not being able to use many fonts...

Licensing, probably. Apple doesn't have to pay unless a user actually downloads the font.

Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#14
post #9

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? I'd imagine a cleverer UI would be to have them available in a text editor's font chooser, but with some sort of indication that the font will be downloaded if you choose to use it. Although obviously, then, people who are somewhere without internet connection will complain about not being able to use many fonts...

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users?

Probably to save disk space, since Macs often have smaller storage since the switch to SSDs. People who use fonts heavily will see them in Font Book.

Similarly, 99½% of Mac users will never install the extra voices, or high-quality versions of the macOS default voices.

Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#15
post #9

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? I'd imagine a cleverer UI would be to have them available in a text editor's font chooser, but with some sort of indication that the font will be downloaded if you choose to use it. Although obviously, then, people who are somewhere without internet connection will complain about not being able to use many fonts...

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? Probably to save disk space, since Macs often have smaller storage since the switch to SSDs. People who use fonts heavily will see them in Font Book. Similarly, 99½% of Mac users will never install the extra voices, or high-quality versions of the macOS default voices.

These fonts are tiny. Like hundreds of kilobytes per variant, at most. Nothing like the voices, at hundreds of megabytes per variant. (I'm sure there's also a licensing cost tied to each download there.)

Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#16
post #13
post #9

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? I'd imagine a cleverer UI would be to have them available in a text editor's font chooser, but with some sort of indication that the font will be downloaded if you choose to use it. Although obviously, then, people who are somewhere without internet connection will complain about not being able to use many fonts...

Licensing, probably. Apple doesn't have to pay unless a user actually downloads the font.

This seems way more likely than the disk usage cost.

Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#17
post #9

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? I'd imagine a cleverer UI would be to have them available in a text editor's font chooser, but with some sort of indication that the font will be downloaded if you choose to use it. Although obviously, then, people who are somewhere without internet connection will complain about not being able to use many fonts...

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Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#18
post #2

So, what’s the point of something being a “system font” if it isn’t used for display by anything in the OS itself? Does some first-party app use them, e.g. GarageBand’s first-party VSTs? Or are they just there to provide you options for styling your own text in Pages et al? (And, if so, why not make them visible in the Text Styles OS modal in such apps, with them zero-installed on first selection? They’re nigh-undisc…

My guess is that they are (or will be) used in Pages/Keynote templates.

Re: New Fonts on macOS Catalina

#20
post #9

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? I'd imagine a cleverer UI would be to have them available in a text editor's font chooser, but with some sort of indication that the font will be downloaded if you choose to use it. Although obviously, then, people who are somewhere without internet connection will complain about not being able to use many fonts...

Why do these fonts have to be hidden in there, never to be seen by a high percentage of users? Probably to save disk space, since Macs often have smaller storage since the switch to SSDs. People who use fonts heavily will see them in Font Book. Similarly, 99½% of Mac users will never install the extra voices, or high-quality versions of the macOS default voices.

> high-quality versions of the macOS default voices.

How do I do that?

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