The American Press Is Destroying Itself • Hacker News Board

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by mushbino » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:19 PM UTC

aPALKbaq wrote: post #81

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #62

I don't think they are. I think they are optimizing for survival. Serious news is expensive, and at this point, a niche market. Few people would consume it (or even be capable of doing so), even fewer are ready to pay the real price of it. So they did the next best thing: they changed to please the market in a way that makes money. Grabbing a lot of attention, as cheaply as possible, so that you can sell it to the hi…

I think the problem is deeper than just the press. These identity flame wars are sponsored by almost all big (non-news) corporations. The reason is clear. While there is distraction, the real issues are unaddressed and they can keep putting their hands in your pocket when you aren't looking. Also, excessive pseudo-socialism is a great tool to drive down wages and have the whole world compete against each other. Locus…

What is "excessive pseudo socialism" and "Locust capitalism?"

Also, I see your account was created an hour ago.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by remote_phone » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:21 PM UTC

meroes wrote: post #100

Shivetya wrote: post #91

What I find most reprehensible about this whole situation is that more and more members of the left regulate political discourse, no make that any discourse, by defining any opposing view as illegitimate, bigoted, and now violence. As in, they are taking the position that their moral superiority is without question and anyone who does not ascribe to this has no rights and we are nearing the point of the same having n…

Or it's in response to and a reversal of the moral superiorirty Christians and conservatives have held over this country for several hundred years. Maybe it's an overcorection, but that's how these things always work.

Except it fails. Look at how and why Trump was elected. All the polls showed Clinton being elected, because everyone was afraid to espouse their opinions. And yet they voted the way they wanted and NO ONE KNEW because true conversation was squashed. And this will keep happening over and over again until the fascist left finally understands that real conversation is what educated people, not cancelling anyone who dares to question their moral authority.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:21 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #91

What I find most reprehensible about this whole situation is that more and more members of the left regulate political discourse, no make that any discourse, by defining any opposing view as illegitimate, bigoted, and now violence. As in, they are taking the position that their moral superiority is without question and anyone who does not ascribe to this has no rights and we are nearing the point of the same having n…

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Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by hedora » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:23 PM UTC

claudeganon wrote: post #76

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I think Klein is failing to engage with the core issue, that many of the positions now outside the bounds of acceptable discourse in newspapers are held by a majority of Americans and considered reasonable by a supermajority. If newspapers systematically refuse to represent views that most people hold, how can we trust their objectivity?

Most of white American would’ve supported siccing the police and military on the civil rights movement in the 60s. That doesn’t mean that newspapers should’ve advocated they do so. The same holds true here. Ethics are not equivalent to populism.

The newspapers in the 60’s didn’t pretend that 100% of the population was behind the civil rights movement. When racist politicians spoke, they got their platform. People could read, and decide for themselves.

If an elected official wants to publish a racist diatribe, the press should circulate it as widely as possible. Informed voters make for a stronger democracy.

Burying the editorial because it would offend their readers just improves the racist’s chances of being reelected.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by aSplash0fDerp » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:23 PM UTC

This is another clear example of 20th century scale.

They made everything "so big", that they have to fill the pipeline with inferior products/drivel just to keep it at capacity.

21st century scale doesn't suffer from the same weakness, but that should come as no surprise.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by remote_phone » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:23 PM UTC

whiddershins wrote: post #36

The New Yorker depiction of this very site (or was it the Atlantic) was particularly egregious.

There is nothing egregious about the article and if anything, paints dang and the other moderator in a better light than I had observed myself from their actions. Case in point flagging this article as a dupe to a flagged article despite its active commenting.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by mushbino » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:24 PM UTC

born_a_skeptic wrote: post #79

MattGaiser wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=tucker-c...

Alright, so he was wrong 8 times out of ~10,000 statements in the last 4 years? Or, am I missing something?

I think you're missing his nearly nightly racist, xenophobic dog-whistles.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by born_a_skeptic » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:25 PM UTC

SaltyBackendGuy wrote: post #98

born_a_skeptic wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright, so he was wrong 8 times out of ~10,000 statements in the last 4 years? Or, am I missing something?

> Says the Potomac River "has gotten dirtier and dirtier and dirtier and dirtier. I go down there and that litter is left almost exclusively by immigrants." I think you're missing something.

Help me understand what is wrong with that statement.

If he fishes there regularly and sees (what he believes) are immigrants dumping trash, then isn't that statement true? How do you what he saw? This seems like splitting hairs.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by humanrebar » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:26 PM UTC

aspenmayer wrote: post #73

danaris wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Agreed on all points. Appeals to centrism are a negotiation tactic; not with the one considered too extreme who should be more moderate, but to the third party who is watching who is sympathetic to the one calling for moderation. It benefits the status quo, and therefore is innately conservative.

No, centrism is to also find areas of consensus and pursue them, however imperfect. For instance, criminal justice reform has made some progress recently. Gradual decriminalization of some recreational drugs as well.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by hobs » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:26 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #91

What I find most reprehensible about this whole situation is that more and more members of the left regulate political discourse, no make that any discourse, by defining any opposing view as illegitimate, bigoted, and now violence. As in, they are taking the position that their moral superiority is without question and anyone who does not ascribe to this has no rights and we are nearing the point of the same having n…

So, our president literally said to use violence against protestors protesting bigotry. When you find yourself being called a bigot and white supremacist repeatedly, its probably not "the left" that's the problem.