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On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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post #9

In the meantime, the Slave terminology is on its way out in Redis too. Here are a few commits: https://github.com/antirez/redis/search?q=%22slave+removal%2... Here's the issue where some of the discussion happened: https://github.com/antirez/redis/issues/5335

It's paradoxical that they want these changes merged to "master".

Master has multiple meanings, not just slave master. As in mastery, master tape, master craftsman. In git, there are no "slave" branches, so "master" does not evoke slavery.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

#72
post #18

Note that this is from 2018. I personally totally agree with the author. Anyone who chooses to be offended by words used in a totally different context is doing exactly that - choosing to be offended. If we keep going down this path of endless meaningless virtue signalling, where will we stop? Is the term "black hole" racist too? What about blackout? Etc, etc. No one really cares about these terms and it they do thei…

The first comment on the page is important to pay attention to: http://antirez.com/news/122#comment-4084872912

The one that gets its cachet from its ostensibly having been written by a Black man but is associated with an avatar which is a stock photo of a Black man?

I’m less sure than you are.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

#73
You know, of all people, it is Slavs who should be the most offended at the use of master-slave terminology. That's where the word comes from - "slave" literally started out as "Slav person". But as an actual Slav, I find it very hard to be offended. It's just a word, it can't hurt me and it doesn't imply anything harmful. Of course, the politics du jour will dictate your reaction to censorious demands, but I just find it a bit funny.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

#74
All the discussion on this submission tells me is that it's not enough to disagree with others, one also has to ridicule them and emphasize how stupid they are for having a position one doesn't understand. Maybe even tie it to a greater culture war where inferiors who don't deserve to be in tech are ruining it for the ones already here. Stay hackernews, hackernews.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

#75
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A blacklist may not have anything to do with skin color, but being on a blacklist usually has negative connotations, not positive. The related term is "whitelist," not "redlist." So I can understand why people might believe the pair has racial overtones.

I think this is a similar misunderstanding as attributing the spelling "history" (which is a typical transliteration of the word "ιστορία" from Greek, that doesn't have a "his" syllable) to the fact that history is dominated by male figures. Some have suggested the term should be changed to "herstory" to recognise the contribution of women to history. To my mind, thinking that "blacklisting" has racist connotations b…

>Some have suggested the term should be changed to "herstory" to recognise the contribution of women to history.

Which is funny in itself. "history" is sexist because it's male, so let's do some affirmative action and make it sexist in the other direction!

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

#76
post #6

I've read about a bunch of these renaming efforts in the past weeks and I think some of these are very justified while some of them seem to take it further than necessary. The master/slave naming seems clearly outdated to me and this one is a direct reference to slavery. A better word like replica exists so I'm using that instead. This makes a lot of sense. On the other hand there's efforts to rename white/black list…

It's an easy feel good change that people make to feel like they're such great people, rather than doing things that actually further the cause or help in any way.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

#78

I suspect this is one of those topics that at some point, everyone will have just switched terms because it's not worth the hassle to fight these fights over and over again. Kind of a "I'm not wrong, but is it a good use of 20 hours a year to argue about this?"

I'm kind of looking forward to when it gets far enough along that path for malicious compliance [1] to start kicking in. I think the Twitter blow up will be quite interesting the first time someone, say, in a discussion about the 19th century plantation economy in the southern US talks about white managers/black workers or white leaders/black followers to avoid the racist master/slave terminology.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_compliance

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

#79
I have to be honest, I think this kind of conversation is a difficult one to have because it can be far too easy to start arguing against what you think the other person is saying, not what they actually are saying. There's a lot of nuance that isn't done justice to (perhaps ironically so), especially as these conversations kick off from github issues, or on social media, and almost instantly devolve from there.

I often find myself getting a headache while reading some of these 'conversations' as I try to get my head around the various perspectives at play. Some of it is truly exhausting, particularly the 'what about the slippery slope' argument that often comes up (in this comment section we have 'what about black hole', 'what about blackout'; in others it's 'what about maestro', etc.). Similarly, it's tiring to repeatedly hear the defence of censoring or erasing history. At the same time, the same is true of those in a hurry to brand others as racists, fascists, or otherwise phobic of something. These all feel like blunt instruments that do more to shut down the conversation rather than encourage it.

There are way more than two sides to this story, it really isn't as black and white as the conversation can make it out to be (on so many levels). And as far as I'm concerned it's a conversation that requires one to take a step back for several moments and seriously consider the things that are currently at stake, and to start healthily unpacking this before jumping to an instinctual response.

For me, the way we discuss this is just as much about compassion and genuine empathy, and adapting to change, as it is anything else. And also for me, if the terms 'master' and 'slave' have served their purpose and need to be changed, so be it. That doesn't upset me at all, but the toxic and hateful drama that often spews from such a decision really does.

Re: On Redis master-slave terminology (2018)

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post #59
post #18

Note that this is from 2018. I personally totally agree with the author. Anyone who chooses to be offended by words used in a totally different context is doing exactly that - choosing to be offended. If we keep going down this path of endless meaningless virtue signalling, where will we stop? Is the term "black hole" racist too? What about blackout? Etc, etc. No one really cares about these terms and it they do thei…

nvm

> No black person will ever, ever stop being offended by having to push their "slave" branch to a "master" branch, for the same reason no Jew would ever, ever stop being offended by having to push their "jew" branch to a "nazi" branch.

You're essentializing race and religion. Do you think Larry David gets thrown into a tail-spin any time someone uses the term "grammar nazi"?

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