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The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by danaris »

JPKab wrote: post #18
jgwil2 wrote: post #14

The Chait article[0] Taibbi cites may be a slightly more effective version of a similar argument, not least because he goes to a good deal of trouble to emphasize how much worse the problem is on the political right. [0] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/case-for-liberalism-...

Nobody is arguing that the right wing media is not a giant echo chamber. Of course it is. Watching Sean Hannity speak would be amusing if not for the fact that you know there's a bunch of people in their living rooms taking him seriously. But we on the left need to recognize how crazy this s * is getting. If anyone questions the insane dogma that has taken over the newsrooms pushed by the far left, then they are labe…

> If anyone questions the insane dogma that has taken over the newsrooms pushed by the far left

So...out of curiosity, just what do you see as being this "insane dogma" "pushed by the far left"?

Because so far as I can tell, America still doesn't have anything that could reasonably be called a "far left" that's being taken seriously by any mainstream media.

The most extreme positions I've heard recently that have gained any media traction are along the lines of "we should overhaul our police so that they don't regularly kill, brutalize, and otherwise traumatize innocent civilians".

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by scott_s »

Counterpoint, from Ezra Klein of Vox (https://www.vox.com/2020/6/10/21284651/new-york-times-tom-co...):

> There have always been boundaries around acceptable discourse, and the media has always been involved, in a complex and often unacknowledged way, in both enforcing and contesting them. In 1986, the media historian Daniel Hallin argued that journalists treat ideas as belonging to three spheres, each of which is governed by different rules of coverage. There’s the “sphere of consensus,” in which agreement is assumed. There’s the “sphere of deviance,” in which a view is considered universally repugnant, and it need not be entertained. And then, in the middle, is the “sphere of legitimate controversy,” wherein journalists are expected to cover all sides, and op-ed pages to represent all points of view.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by ttonkytonk »

danaris wrote: post #31
JPKab wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is arguing that the right wing media is not a giant echo chamber. Of course it is. Watching Sean Hannity speak would be amusing if not for the fact that you know there's a bunch of people in their living rooms taking him seriously. But we on the left need to recognize how crazy this s * is getting. If anyone questions the insane dogma that has taken over the newsrooms pushed by the far left, then they are labe…

> If anyone questions the insane dogma that has taken over the newsrooms pushed by the far left So...out of curiosity, just what do you see as being this "insane dogma" "pushed by the far left"? Because so far as I can tell, America still doesn't have anything that could reasonably be called a "far left" that's being taken seriously by any mainstream media. The most extreme positions I've heard recently that have gai…

That only European American racism matters (or even exists). That African Americans cannot be racist.

Re: The American Press Is Destroying Itself

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Post by Tenoke »

Great article but it's so depressing that it starts with disinformation by claiming Trump said it is a great day for Floyd due to unemployment numbers (actually discussed completely separately in that speech). He said it's a great day due to increasing equality. [0]

Twisting someone's words to make them look worse in a piece that rightly blames others for doing so is just sad. So I am asking again - Why do even the sensible ones do this? Why can't we have some honesty and objectivity?

0. https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conf...

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