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Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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The advice to the normal guy in this scenario is to stop smoking pot and hit the gym. That will make up for a lot.

Sure some of one's attractiveness can be improved with fitness, but for everyone there's some amount of genetic lottery there; if you don't have it you ain't gonna get it.

For me, the gym is as much about self reflection and self mastery as physical improvement. It helps on many levels.

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> Height gives an enormous advantage That's why I mentioned Sean Stephenson. > than a 5'6" Indian guy. I know a pretty small Indian/Surinamese guy (used to be a Dutch colony). Surinam is a bit of a melting pot, FYI but his family line has remained relatively purely Indian. In all fairness, he's good looking. What he also has: the best accent and voice tonality I've ever heard. He says it's his biggest strength and mo…

Sean Stephenson is supposed to disprove a repeatedly-demonstrated, aggregate trend? I know a black person who has never experienced racism too. Don't get me wrong, I believe that you overcame challenges. We all have. I bet 90% of your dating experience is determined by how you were born, not how you have chosen to behave. Your main advice is "be tall, be white." Your post follow the classic formula: BRO. Bro. Physica…

My point is that it can be done. That's all.

All the non-white friends that I have are way better seducers than me and are just as happy in their relationships. The vicinity of Amsterdam is pretty multicultural, so any open-minded person ends up with a good chunk of multicultural friends. Currently, I'd say that my friendships are 30% Dutch, 20% international (white) and 50% non-white. They're almost all male though.

My closest friend is non-white and when I met his extended family (all non-white as well), I could tell you that all family members were better seducers than me. That also includes for all the non-white people I have in my own extended family.

This means I'm the worst seducer of all the non-white people I know within my vicinity which basically includes 1.5 families and a few friends. Most of them are better looking than me (it's not that hard), shorter and more socially capable. They all get better results.

And yet, the rhetoric that the winner gets all and therefore you get nothing is simply not true. If you want to work for it, then the winner gets all and you get what you want despite not being the winner.

I've approached over 10000 women. My success rate in attracting them is about 0.1%. I'm more than content with that. People that don't have success and haven't at least done 1000 approaches, they haven't put in the work. It's brutal, for me it was. So a shit ton of motivation is needed.

I've seen a few cases (white only) who did put in the work. All of them had really low intelligence, frankly speaking and I have the suspicion that they required some professional help with that.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Is it a problem? People don't need to be having sex. As long as people are happy.

I would also say people don't need to be having sex... even if they are unhappy about it.

That's some 'let them eat cake' type mess.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Sure some of one's attractiveness can be improved with fitness, but for everyone there's some amount of genetic lottery there; if you don't have it you ain't gonna get it.

For me, the gym is as much about self reflection and self mastery as physical improvement. It helps on many levels.

I had to read that twice to get that "self reflection" didn't mean admiring oneself in the mirror (at the gym). :-)

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But you presented the theory as a causative link between family formation being unavailable for young men and civil unrest. It's a classic case of correlation is not causation. Yes, there have been societies where men couldn't form families that were violent (like the Wild west in the US) but that doesn't mean that that was the cause of it. Similarly, many on the left have long thought that porn viewing causes sexual…

Are the plethora of cases where cigarettes did not cause cancer compelling proof that they don't? Perhaps these counterexamples are evidence of additional factors, in cancer or in unrest, but they do not prove that a causal relationship doesn't exist.

If you had a very large group of heavy smokers and if you could demonstrate that the lung cancer prevalence among this group was not higher than among the general population then yes, that would be compelling evidence against the theory that smoking causes lung cancer.

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There is something to this, but it depends a lot on attitude. It will be true for someone who's entitled or an ingrate, and everyone should run fast and long away from such a person. There are a lot of them. On the other hand, people who have suffered at length can be quite grateful to find a decent person. Someone like that can make a great wife (or husband).

Relationships are hard enough as it is, imagine stacking the deck further against you by going for someone that's psychologically unstable. Definitely neither smart nor wise, at least for the rational type given the massive time & effort investments required.

I think we're talking about different things.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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I guess so, but I definitely wouldn't tell her that you're not really highly sexually attracted to her.

Why not? After 12 years of marriage I told my wife that and it cleared the air. We both knew it but it remained unsaid for so long and had been having an adverse affect on the relationship. Yes, it was a tough and emotional week. But things are better out in the open and we have started to rebuild the relationship on love, not lust. She did ask if I was having affairs. But I honestly said that I'm finished with sex n…

Glad it turned out, but that sounds like a risky and hard road.

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> Them being defective That's a pretty gross way of looking at the world.

Perhaps you mistakenly believe I said all the people who missing out on human interaction are defective. This isn't so. Lets review context. the parent poster >> “Incel” terrorism is already much more common than class terrorism My response > Them being defective is a problem we can only address by making mental health services more available The subject is people who literally commit acts of terror and murder becaus…

Calling people "defective" is highly pejorative in virtually any context. It's certainly a great way to get people to stop listening.

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Sean Stephenson is supposed to disprove a repeatedly-demonstrated, aggregate trend? I know a black person who has never experienced racism too. Don't get me wrong, I believe that you overcame challenges. We all have. I bet 90% of your dating experience is determined by how you were born, not how you have chosen to behave. Your main advice is "be tall, be white." Your post follow the classic formula: BRO. Bro. Physica…

My point is that it can be done. That's all. All the non-white friends that I have are way better seducers than me and are just as happy in their relationships. The vicinity of Amsterdam is pretty multicultural, so any open-minded person ends up with a good chunk of multicultural friends. Currently, I'd say that my friendships are 30% Dutch, 20% international (white) and 50% non-white. They're almost all male though.…

Wow. Respect, I guess, but I definitely never had the motivation to approach 10,000 women. That would indeed be brutal as all hell, and it's hard to see women as being worth that sort of trouble.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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A lot of guys are complaining in the thread, with undertones of an expectation of sex Most likely reason I see that would cause this data: the immense social pressure applied to straight women has lessened in the 21st century. A straight woman won't be ostricized at 25 if they don't "have a man." The data suggests that young straight men aren't having as much sex. I postulate that the only reason is that straight men…

> that straight men need to work harder to impress empowered straight women

That might be true, but sounds rather sexist. If I was a young man today, faced with a large number of such entitled women, I'd probably just bow out completely. Successful relationships require mutuality, not "you need to impress me".

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