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Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by dekhn »

majormajor wrote: post #96
dekhn wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not mob rule, that's completely and absolutely how the legal US government operates. Overturning the electoral college would require a constitutional amendment, which is no trivial task. Mob rule is entirely different: it refers to rule imposed from outside the law, possibly by a large group. Also, the "fewer votes" really only applies to the presidency, not the senate, house, or governors.

Not the Senate? The Senate results in huge vote power discrepancies.

Power discrepancies and mob rule are different things.

[edit: though it's correct that the Senate, like the EC, is not "popular", as every state has two senators, rather than a proportionate amount, like representatives]

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by saagarjha »

baddox wrote: post #91
rboyd wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Publicly shaming the guy for not wanting to take a public stance? Sounds pretty close to harassment the way these Twitter brigades can go.

Where is the public shaming? Is there a difference between stating that you disagree with someone's actions and "public shaming?"

Publicly disclosing a private conversation? No, not really.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by thrwaway69 »

nemothekid wrote: post #72
_b3dj wrote: post #30

> “Intentionally not making a statement is already political,” Dale wrote in the tweet No it’s not. And this reminds me of the Dictatorship of the small minority [0] from NN Taleb. There are small intolerant minorities who are extremely vocal on certain matters to the point their opinions resemble a dictatorship [0] https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

Almost every day on HN I read that multiple flavors of "FB/Palantir/Google/MS engineers who do nothing while Zuckerberg/USG/China invades more and more of our privacy are complicit in the cog that is Zuckerberg's ambition", but when it comes to race relations, suddenly engineers should be allowed to work in silence. I understand there's nuance, but I only hope the hivemind considers this nuance the next time they pil…

There is a difference. They tell you to quit your job usually, not harass your coworkers into becoming your loud speaker for the cause.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by op03 »

mgleitub wrote: post #16
nsainsbury wrote: post #4

I think a key phrase here is "he was dismissed for publicly challenging a colleague’s silence". In other words, he publicly harassed a colleague who (for what could be any number of perfectly valid reasons) preferred not to publicly state their beliefs. That would seem to me to be an eminently reasonable reason to fire someone. If you go around publicly harassing your colleagues to publicly state their political opin…

Indeed -- here is some additional context that the article doesn't provide: The fired employee Tweeted today: >In the interest of transparency, I was let go for calling out an employee’s inaction here on Twitter. I stand by what I said. They didn’t give me the chance to quit [0] He then specifically cited [1] the Tweet in question that was the cause: >I asked @Vjeux to follow @reactjs's lead and add a statement of su…

Don't live in a disconnected dream state. This is not a normal work environment nor is it going to become one anytime soon. FB took credit for Obama's election and were given credit for Trumps. It's a political organ now. Like Fox News or CNN. Too many people within FB are acting as if they work at Walmart or something. Strap in or get out cause the stakes are as high as can be and the political drama is going to escalate.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by m_ke »

oh_sigh wrote: post #65
m_ke wrote: post #52

Few things to consider: 1. Peter Thiel sits on Facebook's board and was one of its first investors. 2. Thiel donated 1.25 million to Trump's campaign right before the election when it looked like he had no chance of winning. 3. Thiel also donated millions of dollars to Mercer's Super PAC which was funding Cambridge Analytica (which Mercer cofounded with Bannon). 4. Thiel is looking to start a conservative news channe…

Does not liking affirmative action make you racist? Isn't affirmative action or equivalent considered illegal in the UK(and perhaps EU in general but I'm not sure) Is the UK more racist than the US?

I'm not claiming that he's a racist but it takes a special kind of person to write a book against multiculturalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9iG0cSjbc

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by baddox »

saagarjha wrote: post #94
baddox wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's not mob rule, that's completely and absolutely how the legal US government operates. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Middle school civics class explanations of the electoral college are fine. You can understand the reasons the electoral college was created and still oppose the fact that there have been multiple recent cases where the electoral college went against the popular vote. And, not that it's partic…

On the contrary, I think the electoral college was introduced precisely to ensure that the person who won the election was not who would win the popular vote.

That's certainly not the case. The electoral college was designed such that each state's legislature chooses how to attribute their electoral college votes. Many states in the first few presidential elections just had their state legislatures assign the votes.

But still, I find it difficult to believe that the people who designed the electoral college would think it's okay that we held a national election, we got to see who wins the popular vote, and we still choose a different person for President.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by cameronbrown »

marta_morena_24 wrote: post #99
nsainsbury wrote: post #4

I think a key phrase here is "he was dismissed for publicly challenging a colleague’s silence". In other words, he publicly harassed a colleague who (for what could be any number of perfectly valid reasons) preferred not to publicly state their beliefs. That would seem to me to be an eminently reasonable reason to fire someone. If you go around publicly harassing your colleagues to publicly state their political opin…

Yep. This guy is the textbook definition of toxic. There is nothing worse than people who want to inflict their own opinion on others. Yeah you can think of Trumps tweets what you want, censorship is a big thing too you know... The problem is not Trumps tweets, its that 40% of Americans are supporting Trump that should worry us. But then again, you can't inflict your own opinion on others. The only way to do somethin…

> 40% of Americans are supporting Trump that should worry us

Hmm, mob rule and "educating people why they are wrong" does one thing - it sends these people underground and it's why Trump might win again:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/secret-donal...

I'd rather have these ideas out in the open where people can defeat the arguments properly without ad-hominem, rather than shouting them down. And hell, maybe even learn something new.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by sky_rw »

dvt wrote: post #45

I'm so over this political posturing. I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened (remember #OccupyWallStreet?). People that actually change the world don't need to advertise it on Twitter. I have friends that volunteer in Watts and Compton every other weekend (and have done so for years ) that don't need to share it on social media. I can't help but think that this…

My friend, you may not be aware that there is an election in a few months. This chaos will continue to escalate all summer and into the fall. Then once Trump wins re-election your really gonna see some slacktavism.
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