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Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Wil Shipley is an excellent developer and his points are excellent as well.

Agreed completely about ads in the app store - they are basically worthless and often very annoying and spammy.

I particularly concur with subscription vs. upgrade pricing. I utterly despise subscriptions, and I want to have the option to pay an incremental fee for an upgrade if I want to rather than having to purchase a new version of the app!

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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VS code is really good. Somehow it feels way better to program in than Xcode does. But I don’t know any other electron apps that feel responsive. Slack, discord, Notion... all super simple apps which respond like molasses.

There are better choices than both of these imho - Appcode and Jetbrains for example.

If your example of "Good native application" is AppCode, you're beyond saving lol

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Also worth noting that Steve Jobs' original plan for the iPhone involved making web-apps first class citizens, with access to system notifications, etc.

Also worth noting that Steve didn't want to make the iPod available on Windows. Sometimes the guy was just dead wrong...

[flippant]

Even Christ stumbled

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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Only takes one counter-example to dismantle this method of thought. ...........VSCode

VSCode is the most sluggish app I use on my 2019 Mac, by far. I genuinely don't understand how people can say that it feels responsive and like-native, unless they have much more performant equipment than I. I use it because it's packed with useful functionality, but …I resent using it– I think I'd adore it if it were native.

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Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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One nit to pick, Slack on iOS is apparently fully native: https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/931599784137363459 I think this shows, in my opinion, how little native vs. web/electron actually matters to overall quality. You can generally make a smooth, fast, bug-free app on any platform. Or not... I used to use the Android version and I was never quite sure whether it was native or not. I couldn't think of a way to te…

Slack, renown for horrible app performance, should never be an example in any discussion about underlying architecture.

It seems poor performance is a core value at the company.

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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There are better choices than both of these imho - Appcode and Jetbrains for example.

If your example of "Good native application" is AppCode, you're beyond saving lol

thats a bit harsh - Appcode is a java app but better than Xcode and VSCode, and java is a step up from electron in performance. Xcode is faster but lacks a lot of features that Appcode has.

If you want fast native development then I recommend Delphi - but that is not PC either.

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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The only way we effect change is by ORGANIZING. Right now, Apple can do whatever they want because they pick us off one by one, and ignore us. Google does exactly the same thing. If we organize as a large enough group, they have to listen. I firmly believe what Apple does is anti-competitive and they need to be regulated firmly by the government. I also think Google and Facebook need to be firmly regulated by the gov…

> even $0.99 is "expensive" for most people these days

In my experience, this is not really true - most people (including myself) just cannot find these apps and instead see only subscription ones which seems to be the new trend.

The last 7 apps I downloaded on iOS wanted a $5-10/mo monthly subscription, and I literally _cannot_ purchase the app. And I'm talking about really basic zero-infrastructure apps:

- 2 transcriber apps that use iOS's native speech recognition functionality only (no server).

- A Snapchat equivalent that puts beards and other funny things on a picture of your face.

- A photo collage maker.

- A photo effects editor.

- An app that turns live pictures into gifs (really?)

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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The only way we effect change is by ORGANIZING. Right now, Apple can do whatever they want because they pick us off one by one, and ignore us. Google does exactly the same thing. If we organize as a large enough group, they have to listen. I firmly believe what Apple does is anti-competitive and they need to be regulated firmly by the government. I also think Google and Facebook need to be firmly regulated by the gov…

Is it wrong of me to think "vote with your wallet" and don't buy an iPhone?

Re: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple developers

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One nit to pick, Slack on iOS is apparently fully native: https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/931599784137363459 I think this shows, in my opinion, how little native vs. web/electron actually matters to overall quality. You can generally make a smooth, fast, bug-free app on any platform. Or not... I used to use the Android version and I was never quite sure whether it was native or not. I couldn't think of a way to te…

You can make a bad native app, but you can’t make a good Electron app. Edit to add: Lots of people are mentioning Visual Studio Code. I agree it’s a good app in many dimensions; I didn’t mean to say that an Electron app can’t be good in some ways, even in the most important ways, but rather that Electron introduces flaws that prevent the app from being good in all ways. In particular, while faster than most Electron…

Superhuman and VS Code are excellent apps. And are built on Electron.
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