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Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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Post by adultSwim »

nate_meurer wrote: post #155
snowwrestler wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are two ways to approach thinking about dramatic acts like self-immolation, rioting, looting, stealing, etc. One way is to think "wow, those people have had very different experiences from me, to drive them to do that." I'd put your reply in that category and I prefer this. It recognizes shared commonality among people, which is a good place to start for constructive change. The other way is to think "w…

I really agree with you here, except for your inclusion of looters in that group. You're goddamn right opportunistic looters are nothing like me. Those fuckers care nothing about the fight of the protests, and are willing to tarnish the whole movement for some free shit. Fuck them. Otherwise, right on. I can't tell you how often I come to dead ends in arguments regarding poverty and crime, where folks who've never be…

Without the rioting and looting, the protests may have accomplished nothing. Climate March and Women's March were way bigger but led to absolutely zilch.

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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Post by nate_meurer »

adultSwim wrote: post #191
nate_meurer wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really agree with you here, except for your inclusion of looters in that group. You're goddamn right opportunistic looters are nothing like me. Those fuckers care nothing about the fight of the protests, and are willing to tarnish the whole movement for some free shit. Fuck them. Otherwise, right on. I can't tell you how often I come to dead ends in arguments regarding poverty and crime, where folks who've never be…

Without the rioting and looting, the protests may have accomplished nothing. Climate March and Women's March were way bigger but led to absolutely zilch.

So if the climate and women's marchers had destroyed blocks of neighborhoods and looted and burned a bunch of stores and small businesses, you think they would have "accomplished" more? Are you fucking serious?

This is such a stupid argument. The only thing violence, vandalism and theft "accomplish" is further retrenchment of police power. It turns otherwise sympathetic people against the protests, and makes it much harder for policy makers to justify police reform to the huge part of the population whose quiet racist and classist biases were just confirmed by the looters.

If anythin's going to spur change from this particular upheaval, it will the hundreds of videos recording police brutality against peaceful demonstrators.

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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Post by sukilot »

nate_meurer wrote: post #155
snowwrestler wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are two ways to approach thinking about dramatic acts like self-immolation, rioting, looting, stealing, etc. One way is to think "wow, those people have had very different experiences from me, to drive them to do that." I'd put your reply in that category and I prefer this. It recognizes shared commonality among people, which is a good place to start for constructive change. The other way is to think "w…

I really agree with you here, except for your inclusion of looters in that group. You're goddamn right opportunistic looters are nothing like me. Those fuckers care nothing about the fight of the protests, and are willing to tarnish the whole movement for some free shit. Fuck them. Otherwise, right on. I can't tell you how often I come to dead ends in arguments regarding poverty and crime, where folks who've never be…

Why do people care more about someone stealing a TV from a corporation than someone stealing $500M from taxpayers?

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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Post by smabie »

minusSeven wrote: post #185
smabie wrote: post #181

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Why should Pepsi have spent 100 to 200mm giving people money? Like, that's clearly the wrong decision. People still would have been angry and not bought Pepsi.

Well some would argue that it is Pepsi who were giving lottery so any mistake on their part should be on them. Like if you mistakenly deposit 1 million dollar into my account I don't owe you shit and I shouldn't be asked to repay it back legally. Here off course it depends on the laws of that country. For instance Philippines could certainly have said its your mistake so you owe people money instead. They would have…

You think executives should have been extradited from the US to the Philippines to face trial because of this? You think the Philippines should have stolen the employees passports and thrown them in jail and hold them hostage?

And, actually, if someone accidentally deposits 1m into your bank account, you do owe them shit. Specifically, you owe them 1m.

What you're saying is just so ridiculous I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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Post by nate_meurer »

sukilot wrote: post #194
nate_meurer wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really agree with you here, except for your inclusion of looters in that group. You're goddamn right opportunistic looters are nothing like me. Those fuckers care nothing about the fight of the protests, and are willing to tarnish the whole movement for some free shit. Fuck them. Otherwise, right on. I can't tell you how often I come to dead ends in arguments regarding poverty and crime, where folks who've never be…

Why do people care more about someone stealing a TV from a corporation than someone stealing $500M from taxpayers?

That's a strawman. Nobody's talking about "stealing a TV from a corporation". That's not what looting is. Go spend five minutes on google and see what's been happening. Looters have destroyed thousands of small businesses -- destroying equipment, ransacking the buildings, and in many cases setting them on fire. The theft is only a small part. Many of these losses cannot be be recouped through insurance, and many of these small businesses will die. For nothing.

Looting and vandalism don't hurt corporations. The corporations have insurance and can rebuild. Looting destroys livelihoods of people who often can't recover, accelerates the decay of already struggling neighborhoods.

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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Post by minusSeven »

smabie wrote: post #195
minusSeven wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well some would argue that it is Pepsi who were giving lottery so any mistake on their part should be on them. Like if you mistakenly deposit 1 million dollar into my account I don't owe you shit and I shouldn't be asked to repay it back legally. Here off course it depends on the laws of that country. For instance Philippines could certainly have said its your mistake so you owe people money instead. They would have…

You think executives should have been extradited from the US to the Philippines to face trial because of this? You think the Philippines should have stolen the employees passports and thrown them in jail and hold them hostage? And, actually, if someone accidentally deposits 1m into your bank account, you do owe them shit. Specifically, you owe them 1m. What you're saying is just so ridiculous I'm having a hard time t…

Well I said it hypothetically. It all depends on the laws of the country. If Philippines held Pepsi responsible and ordered them to pay the entire amount, it would be a different situation.

If you are ordered to pay money by the government and can't pay it may considered fraud. So the government can take bigger actions. I guess bankruptcy may follow where the government can end up seizing all assets the company has. If all those steps are insufficient then even bigger steps may follow.

As I said it all depends on the laws of that country. Not all countries have similar laws.

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