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Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by twirlip »

downerending wrote: post #700
virgil_disgr4ce wrote: post #443

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> the Antifas are asking for protection money from businesses within the zone That's one of the most hilarious and absurd things I've ever heard. All of my antifa friends are the most wonderful, gentle nerds. They're gardeners, organizers, history buffs, parents, writers, table-top gamers. It's so bizarre (and shitty) that the public conception of "antifa" became twisted into this nonsensical cartoon of looters and p…

You should watch some of the riot videos. In one, I saw an Antifa kick an unconscious man in the head. My mother, who lived through Nazi Germany, would have understood these people as brownshirts.

Going Godwin? You are the first; something to mull over, I suppose. (I separate your "Nazi" from the "neonazi" used in an adjacent post).

However, as Antifa is decidedly Anti-Fascist and without the paramilitary aspect of the brownshirts, perhaps they would be more closely identified with the Rotfrontkämpferbund.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by latencyloser »

loeg wrote: post #640
latencyloser wrote: post #382

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Those are not automatic rifles, they're very likely all semi-automatic. Semi-automatic rifles can look the same as automatic rifles, visual appearance doesn't mean much. Automatic rifles in the US are much, much more difficult and expensive to acquire than one would think--tens of thousands of dollars usually vs ~$500 for a semi-automatic variant. Sorry if that seems pedantic, but the media uses the understandably ea…

> Automatic rifles in the US are much, much more difficult and expensive to acquire than one would think--tens of thousands of dollars usually Clarification: to acquire legally . It is not nearly that expensive black market.

Yeah that's fair. One could also just make one pretty easily, it doesn't require too much knowledge to modify an existing semi-automatic.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by renegading »

dannyw wrote: post #701
renegading wrote: post #676

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Are media being allowed in? If independent journalists were there then maybe more people would know the "truth".

It’s a public space. You can walk in. No one mans the gates.

Then why are they building walls? Why are there armed guards?

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by twirlip »

undersuit wrote: post #458
conroy wrote: post #84

A friend lives in Seattle and texted me today about his visit last night: > I was there last night and it's such a cool pseudo utopian place > The media coverage of it is WILD > People on the internet are convinced it's protected by armed guards and people are dying of hunger and instead its...like a music festival campground > There are speakers, musicians, art walls. I took a group pic for a bunch of black guys las…

My friend in Seattle told me they put up a wall, armed thugs are shaking down businesses inside and ICE agents were controlling admission. I'm glad to know it's just a mural.

Has your friend gone to witness it themselves? I had gone to the local protest in our city. My next door neighbor, unaware that I had marched, told me that it was a violent mob. She didn't believe me when I contradicted her until I showed her video footage I took with my phone. She didn't have a good answer when I questioned who told her it was violent; I'm assuming it's just wrong information passed along in social media.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by renegading »

arctangos wrote: post #702
renegading wrote: post #676

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Are media being allowed in? If independent journalists were there then maybe more people would know the "truth".

It’s awfully hard to tell whether this is parody or not, but yes, media are “allowed” in. In fact, far as I can see on the various vids, anyone can just walk in

This guy certainly isn't welcome.

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1271224115576180737

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by golf1052 »

umeshunni wrote: post #706
kyleblarson wrote: post #573

My first thought was 'I feel bad for the people who spent a million bucks on a condo in Pike / Pine', but my second thought was that these are likely also people who voted for people like Sawant so they made their own bed.

Given that Sawant won with a tiny majority, that's an unfair judgement of those people.

Sawant was running for re-election for her third term. She wasn't an unknown political figure.

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Post by leetcrew »

ashtonkem wrote: post #541
cameron_b wrote: post #534

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I would say this is spot on from what I've heard. When emotions are this high ( look at the cops faces when they are exposed ) there's nothing but muscle memory. I took a class on active shooter scenarios where they focused on that "be careful how you train" aspect with the illustration that a police officer ( no idea where ) once responded to a call where an armed man pointed a pistol right at the cop close range. T…

I think it’s worth asking why the cops are so angry at these protestors. We didn’t see this level of police anger and misconduct during the protests over the lock down, but during these protests the cops appear to be furious in a way I have never seen before.

is this a rhetorical question? the protestors are calling for anything from decreasing police department funding to abolishing it altogether. I'm sure there's a diversity of viewpoints within the movement, but to a cop it looks like a big crowd of people trying to eliminate their job. this certainly doesn't excuse their actions, but it's not hard to see why this would be upsetting.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by Izkata »

cma wrote: post #620
Izkata wrote: post #484

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Would you have guessed it if there were equal numbers of burger-lovers and taco-lovers? 'Cause despite what it looks like online, the US is about equally split between liberal and conservative.

If CNN was as partisan as MSNBC, maybe.

...it was nicknamed the Clinton News Network in 2016 because of how partisan it gets.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by golf1052 »

catacombs wrote: post #671
rovolo wrote: post #649

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Protestors occupied the intersection of 11th and Pine (1 block from the police station) for multiple nights prior to the police abandoning the precinct. The police tried clearing people multiple nights with tear gas and flash-bangs, but the images and video of clearing the protestors night after night became politically unsavory. They probably won't try evicting people from the area again because they didn't succeed…

> They probably won't try evicting people from the area again because they didn't succeed politically the previous times they tried. Interesting. The city might not, but feds might try, as they probably don't have much to lose.

Both the governor and the mayor said they won't let the Feds try that.
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