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Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Over the study period, pornography became really easy to obtain. Isn't that the cause ? Men (we) no longer need to groom themselves, dress up, spend money on dates and deal with all the complications of relationships. They (we) now have instant simulation within a few taps on their phones.

From the JAMA article that all this data comes from:

> Use of pornographic material was associated with a lower likelihood of sexual inactivity among both men and women.

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This is a widespread societal change that I think most people are completely unaware of. The majority of women are sleeping with the top 10% of men, sometimes only the top 3-5%, with the rest barely getting any at all. the sexual revolution was never about free love or sexual freedom, it was about womens rights to sleep with the few men they are all attracted to. The lower 80% of men instead saw their sexual freedom…

That's similar to saying that technology isn't about liberating the worker, but rendering most of the work force obsolete and only hiring the top 20% of performers. Your freedom does not compel anybody to be in a relationship with you, just like your freedom does not require somebody to hire you.

I agree that there are larger societal changes at play, but saying this isn't strictly more free than before isn't painting the picture honestly.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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They buried the lede here. > Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported. Basically sex is following the pattern of wealth. Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. It'l…

Incels call this "hypergamy": https://incels.wiki/images/thumb/c/c8/C57f84720fff59cf295616... Although misogynistic incels are obviously abhorrent, I believe that they're probably right in their assessment of their own social status. It just seems like rather than trying to better themselves, they turn it into outward hatred. I've also seen calls by right-wing thought leaders for "enforced monogamy," which obviously…

Enforced monogamy doesn't mean what you think it does. Catholics, for example, have enforced monogamy as part of their culture. Most Western cultures have (or did until recently) similar norms. It's talking about cultural pressures, not literal force. Even the wokest cultural groups have their own forms of "enforced" norms.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

#124

Is it a problem? People don't need to be having sex. As long as people are happy.

I think you answered your own question. If not, go visit a forum for incels and see how happy they are.

Incels are not representation of guys without sex in general. They are people who are angry and hateful.

Dating any of these would be profoundly bad idea. It is better for a woman to be alone then to be with someone who has opinions of incel.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

#125
I think the cause is very obvious, and I assume other people do to, but it's the kind of thing I would never actually say in the real world.

Before the internet women didn't get hit on by thousands of men before their 21st birthday. Now that they do, they can be more picky in choosing partners, so fewer (hopefully higher quality) men are having sex.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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They buried the lede here. > Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported. Basically sex is following the pattern of wealth. Men as a group aren't having less sex, instead there's a winner take all effect where a small number of men are having a lot of sex with a lot of women while a large number of men are having little to no sex. It'l…

A lot of those top 10% men are going polyamorous, and so you have an uptick in complaints from women about finding a monogamous guy. I've seen it on Tinder and Reddit. The thing is, the vast majority of men are still monogamous. They're just ignored and unacknowledged by most women.

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#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the modern idea isn't that there's no longer a space for dating and sexual encounters; it's that this space isn't work. Work is for work, not finding a wife or mistress or staring at breasts. The club and dating apps is where you go for that. If you and someone you work with both swipe right, then it's fair game. But there's an affirmative, out of work step to getting there.

Buy into a closed, preferential application platform in order to find a mate, or else restrict yourself to people who would spend time at a club? With a system that restrictive and bar-lowering, it’s little wonder people aren’t having much luck.

Or a single's meetup, or the coffee shop, or running into someone at the same aisle of the bookstore, or smiling at someone at the park...

The core here is that you don't mix sexual propositions and the (even potential future) power relationships inherent with work for pay.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly right. Apps like Tinder that normalized online "dating" (before the apps it was much less common among younger people) have allowed the "apex predator" men with good jobs/looks/personalities to have sex on demand with virtually unlimited numbers of women. This has also been made possible because a lot more women are now willing to be in non-exclusive sexual relationships at the beginning when…

It's not really a powder keg because we really don't suffer as a society if the excluded men don't get to have kids.

That's not how it's worked out in any society where family formation has been limited for large numbers of young men. The research on the calming effect of family formation on young men is very straightforward: when a population of young men doesn't have the opportunity to form families, _they_ become the powder keg. It's true at multiple scales, from individual criminality to societal unrest.

Re: Young U.S. men having a lot less sex in the 21st century, study shows

#130
Social media has led to a huge amount of female worship and has certainly put women them on a pedestal. The average 20-year-old (my age group) woman thinks she can land a Jeff Bezos, while the average 20-year-old male has little confidence he can get anything at all.
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