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Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Note that Andy Ngo himself, author of the tweet linked in the grandparent, helped spread the false claims that SPD has retracted: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270820367573999616

He was quoting the police chief in the video? Doesn't seem very malicious to me.

He refers to his "sources" right in this tweet, which predates the police statement.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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What makes these people dangerous and scary is that they're carrying dangerous and scary weapons. The flak jackets and face masks aren't making it any less scary either. Personally, I'm not afraid of the police, of protesters, of armed militias, etc. I'm afraid of people with guns. Why does anyone carry a gun, unless they intend to use it, once some set of conditions obtain? I don't want to be around people like that…

Sure, that's fair — my question is really "what makes this person with a gun scarier than the other people with guns that we've seen lately?"

Nothing. They're all scary people with guns. That is my point. Apologies if that didn't come across.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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If you are trying to start a respectable state at least spell correctly, it really makes people not take it seriously: >siezed!! by anarchists, BLM supporters and other protestors who have since transformed it into a unverisal!!

> anarchists

> state

Why would you think that anarchists are trying to start a state?

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Globalization has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty in China.

China industrialized on the basis of incredibly terrible working conditions (ie high profitability via low wages) that have only recently been improving. And as they've improved, globalization has shifted manufacturing to other countries who have worse working conditions again. "Lifted out of poverty" sounds nice but tends to mostly mean that people who were formerly peasants have instead worked in sweatshops and hor…

"Lifted out of poverty" sounds nice but tends to mostly mean that people who were formerly peasants have instead worked in sweatshops and horrible factories for decades or centuries.

Right, so lifted out of poverty. Just because you think their new job is a "horrible sweatshop", doesn't mean their lives haven't actually improved.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Police are safer than cars, by an order of magnitude. The only violence I’ve seen from police that doesn’t seem like an anomaly is violence that protestors incited by starting a conflict with the police. So, empirically, it seems like the violence is occasional except when you go asking for it and the protestors just have a problem with authority and society at large. It’s why their complaints are big on individual s…

> Police are safer than cars, For whom and per...what? Encounter? Mile traveled with them? > The only violence I’ve seen from police that doesn’t seem like an anomaly is violence that protestors incited by starting a conflict with the police. That suggests to me that either your perception of provocation or of anomaly is skewed (or that “anomaly” is used in the software sense of “behavior out of line with spec” rathe…

Per arrest to one year of driving: you would have to be arrested ten times in a year for your risk from the police to match your risk driving a car that year.

Per arrest for violent crime (where most of the deaths occur), blacks are safer than whites.

I’ve been reviewing the footage from Seattle — and protestors started every instance of violence by first getting forceful with the cops.

Show me any evidence that there’s an endemic problem of violence — because nothing I can find in either statistics about harm or footage from protests suggests there is.

That’s an empiric conclusion: studying the statistics about how often police harm people and comparing them to other sources of risk — which show they’re relatively minor.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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FYI the Seattle Police Department retracted previous claims yesterday: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-prote... This is not the first time Chief Best and the SPD made things up during these events, and in fact they have a long history of misbehavior: https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2011/... Note that in your video Best is not being too explicit on where exactly those crim…

Note that Andy Ngo himself, author of the tweet linked in the grandparent, helped spread the false claims that SPD has retracted: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1270820367573999616

Ando Ngo has frequently posted information to intentionally muddy the situation and incite an anger against protestors. As a Seattle resident, my fear is that people are beginning to act on this disinformation from Andy Ngo and others.

Here, a multi-racial family was menaced by residents of Forks, WA. Residents actually cut down trees to block the road.

https://q13fox.com/2020/06/05/spokane-family-harassed-strand...

Here, a police offier's relative drove into the protests, shot a protestor, and ran to the police station.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/08/seattle-sho...

While these instances are not widespread, they are incredibly troubling.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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On the right, I am seeing: - It's called Antifastan - Warlord Raz is prone to violent outbursts, and is an AirBnb Superhost. - There are open carries with automatic rifles. They get the most respect. - Laughing out loud at an attempt to create a vegetable garden. Didn't appear promising. - Laughing harder at a cry for 'please send vegan meats and soy products, the homeless took all the food!' My thinking is, the trut…

I hate the laughter at the vegetable garden. Oh lets mock people for planting what could be food where it used to a a useless piece of turf. We shouldn't be mocking them we should be following their example across the country.

We mocked them because they didn't dig up the turf first before dumping the potting soil on top and planting things that are going to wash away into the nearest storm drain in the first heavy downpour.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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I lived 1 block from there, by Lindas until a year ago. What kind of interactions with homeless people did you have to say it is absolutely terrible? I occasionally saw a homeless person, but that was about the worst of it. And I was out on the town a lot. Oh my car got broken into once as well. Once in 11 years.

I just saw so many of them .. more than I have in any other city in the developed world (and I've lived a lot of places). I never had any bad interactions with them I guess, but I broke my heart to see that many of them, especially in the downtown areas and further out towards the Interstate and underpasses. I dunno, maybe I'm too sensitive, but it broke my heart. It's one of the many reasons I left Seattle.

Homeless people exist everywhere. In my Wisconsin city they were out of sight because cold kills. In my Missouri city they were out of sight because we’d just arrest them if they didn’t stick to a few block radius.

Consider: if you don’t see homeless people, it might not be because there’s less homelessness. It might just be that they were driven out.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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The whole 'fully automatic rifle' is such a nothing burger anyway. M4s and M16s aren't controllable on fully automatic at anything over 10m. Watch modern combat footage of any trained unit, and I guarantee you'll see them using semi auto. My point? Semi auto AR-15s are every bit as effective and deadly as their fully automatic military counterparts. Whether civilians should have such weapons is another discussion.

Regardless, full auto is misleadingly portrayed in media as being orders of magnitude more deadly than semi auto, hard to change that (for example[0]). Nevermind handguns kill more than all other gun types combined, it's the "military" style ones that politicians and media focus on because they look scary (again, also disregarding the fact that a functionally equivalent semi-auto hunting rifle has exactly the same de…

>a functionally equivalent semi-auto hunting rifle has exactly the same destructive power).

I'd strongly argue against this point. Most hunting rifles have 5 round mags (legal limit for hunting in a lot of places). They won't accept 30 round mags. They're also chambered in more powerful calibers which have much more recoil.

An active shooter with his dad's hunting rifle is much less dangerous than the same shooter with an AR-15 with 30 round mags.

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