Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by freeone3000 » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 6:03 PM UTC

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conroy wrote: post #84

A friend lives in Seattle and texted me today about his visit last night: > I was there last night and it's such a cool pseudo utopian place > The media coverage of it is WILD > People on the internet are convinced it's protected by armed guards and people are dying of hunger and instead its...like a music festival campground > There are speakers, musicians, art walls. I took a group pic for a bunch of black guys las…

I think the media has been playing this up like crazy to try and get the alt-right to react. The alt-right consensus, at least on 4chan, is the absolute best thing for the alt-right to do to get the Democratic party to look stupid and inept and invite a voter backlash is to do nothing.

Post by xyzzyz » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 6:04 PM UTC

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Maybe there's a valuable lesson in that too: foster a sense of community, instead of trying to control people by force. My impression is also that many cases of police abuse in the US happen in situations where most of the police officers policing a community are not themselves members of that community, but outsiders looking down on that community.

> foster a sense of community, instead of trying to control people by force. The institutions that are most effective at "fostering a sense of community" are voluntary ones like churches and cultural centres, not coercive ones like police. Social scientists have known for a long time about the critical importance of this sort of civic and community engagement, but it is often misunderstood and considered irrelevant a…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 6:05 PM UTC

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I lived 1 block from there, by Lindas until a year ago. What kind of interactions with homeless people did you have to say it is absolutely terrible? I occasionally saw a homeless person, but that was about the worst of it. And I was out on the town a lot. Oh my car got broken into once as well. Once in 11 years.

I just saw so many of them .. more than I have in any other city in the developed world (and I've lived a lot of places). I never had any bad interactions with them I guess, but I broke my heart to see that many of them, especially in the downtown areas and further out towards the Interstate and underpasses. I dunno, maybe I'm too sensitive, but it broke my heart. It's one of the many reasons I left Seattle.

Post by freeone3000 » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 6:11 PM UTC

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> Anarchic utopias do not stay utopic for all that long. At least one counterexample to this is Exarcheia[1] in Athens, which has been relatively unpoliced for the last 50 years. I was there about a year ago and was struck by how both peaceful and lively it was. Nowhere in Athens felt nearly as alive. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exarcheia

It's not a utopic commune though, it's a normal neighborhood, apart from frequent violent and spectacular fights with police.

Post by bowmessage » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 6:14 PM UTC

freeone3000 wrote: post #617

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It wasn't a useless piece of turf, it was a park that the residents of the neighborhood, myself included, used to be able to enjoy. Now we can't, because hundreds are camping on the area. I am all for their cause, but I feel like the methodology of 'camping in a park' is not the right way to enact civic change at a policy level.

You can't go to the park, because it's too crowded, because people are gathering there to enact change. I'm sorry, I simply disagree as to the role of public space in a free society -- them occupying the park is the LEAST objectionable thing about this.