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New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize” in workplace chat

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Re: New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize” in workplace chat

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Clickbait title. The tool allows banning any word. There's nothing special about unionize in the tool.

You're right on the capacity to ban/control discussion around any word. However it is probably notable that Facebook chose to highlight 'unionize' and not 'football' or 'American Idol' in their sales pitch.

Re: New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize” in workplace chat

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>>Section 1: The policy of the United States is to be carried out "by encouraging the practice and procedure of collective bargaining and by protecting the exercise by workers of full freedom of association, self-organization, and designation of representatives of their own choosing, for the purpose of negotiating the terms and conditions of their employment..." Section 7: "Employees shall have the right to self-orga…

IANAL but I would assume FB is in the clear legally though as they're not actively blocking anything in particular, merely providing the tool with which admins can do the blocking themselves.

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Not on the topic of Facebook, but on employers who fear these trends so much that they want this level of control: Fundamental social shifts cannot be nipped in the bud. The best anyone can do is understand them and ensure the changes are gradual, rather than letting them build-up to a big bang. This is an oversimplification, but: early 20th century rise of communism was a violent backlash against the presiding monar…

>>is what we're seeing today just a passing trend or a fundamental shift?

Facebook advertised to Walmart with union busting capabilities. Walmart has a union busting history going back 50 years minimum.

Looking at public opinion on unions, it seems to be rising the past few years, while membership keeps going down (in the US).

Re: New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize” in workplace chat

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In all fairness, it is not as if anyone is going to put up a big protest in the current economic circumstances. Not even Facebook employees can find another job easily in the current environment. With 40+ million or so unemployed, and no end in sight for COVID at the moment, Zuckerberg can get away with whatever he wants over the next few months. "Never let a good crisis go to waste", as the saying goes. So FB employ…

This tool is something that Facebook is trying to sell . To other companies . So you're missing the point with your superficial speculation as to the balance of power between Facebook and its employees. For that reason, I'll keep the rebuttal short: laws are still valid, as far as I know. And this tool is blatantly illegal. Facebook employees also don't typically face starvation if they can't find a new job right awa…

Whilst it may be distasteful, it is entirely legal.

An employer cannot inhibit the formation or function of a union but are under no obligation to provide the facilities or platform to form one. What FB have done is akin to not allowing an organizer to use the company photocopier to print union leaflets

Re: New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize” in workplace chat

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post #12

>>Section 1: The policy of the United States is to be carried out "by encouraging the practice and procedure of collective bargaining and by protecting the exercise by workers of full freedom of association, self-organization, and designation of representatives of their own choosing, for the purpose of negotiating the terms and conditions of their employment..." Section 7: "Employees shall have the right to self-orga…

IANAL but I would assume FB is in the clear legally though as they're not actively blocking anything in particular, merely providing the tool with which admins can do the blocking themselves.

Kind of odd that they would choose to promote their product by touting a feature that is illegal to use.

Re: New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize” in workplace chat

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In all fairness, it is not as if anyone is going to put up a big protest in the current economic circumstances. Not even Facebook employees can find another job easily in the current environment. With 40+ million or so unemployed, and no end in sight for COVID at the moment, Zuckerberg can get away with whatever he wants over the next few months. "Never let a good crisis go to waste", as the saying goes. So FB employ…

While unemployment is high right now, I'm not sure it's affected most tech workers. I don't have numbers, so this is purely anecdotal, but almost all of my friends are in tech, no one has been laid off, and I just started job searching myself after being voluntarily out of the market since pre-plague, and I can barely keep up with interview requests.

Re: New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize” in workplace chat

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>>Section 1: The policy of the United States is to be carried out "by encouraging the practice and procedure of collective bargaining and by protecting the exercise by workers of full freedom of association, self-organization, and designation of representatives of their own choosing, for the purpose of negotiating the terms and conditions of their employment..." Section 7: "Employees shall have the right to self-orga…

IANAL but I would assume FB is in the clear legally though as they're not actively blocking anything in particular, merely providing the tool with which admins can do the blocking themselves.

"it should be noted that no ethically-trained software engineer would ever consent to write a DestroyBaghdad procedure. Basic professional ethics would instead require him to write a DestroyCity procedure, to which Baghdad could be given as a parameter."

Re: New Facebook tool allows employers to suppress “unionize” in workplace chat

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>>Section 1: The policy of the United States is to be carried out "by encouraging the practice and procedure of collective bargaining and by protecting the exercise by workers of full freedom of association, self-organization, and designation of representatives of their own choosing, for the purpose of negotiating the terms and conditions of their employment..." Section 7: "Employees shall have the right to self-orga…

The tool itself is generic, somebody at FB just thought it is a bright idea to use "unionize" as an example in a marketing pitch.
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