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Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by hoten »

joshuamorton wrote: post #279
Animats wrote: post #247

They need a political win on something in the next few days. Otherwise this thing fizzles out, is crushed, or turns into a joke like the 2016 bird sanctuary occupation. Some of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" apply. ⬤ "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." ⬤ "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." That's the problem with "defund the police". "We'd all love to see the plan", as…

There have been lots of mid-sized political wins for these protests. Breanna's law, Minneapolis defunding it's police, etc. It's sustained distributed action, and some of it is not real (the NYC chokehold ban), but there's still real stuff happening.

None of that is a result of CHAZ.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by pera »

MR4D wrote: post #242
pera wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The media coverage of it is WILD I live 7 blocks away from "the zone" and can confirm, I have never in my life seen anything alike in this regard. The scale of the misinformation being spread in social networks and news media reached a level I couldn't believe possible before. Seriously, it's beyond absurd. If anyone is interested, I have been taking some pictures of the ongoing protests (including a few of the zon…

It looks....empty. Thanks for taking these - looks nothing like the media portrays it. BTW - love the church picture (I think it’s the one in Spain?)

Thanks! I'm not sure which one you are referring to (maybe Sagrada Familia?) but yeah, they are all in Catalonia :)

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Post by cylinder »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #257
dag11 wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The media coverage of it is WILD Yep. I live three blocks south of CHAZ and it's so overblown. Conservative family from the east-coast have told me they're very worried for me, and I check fox news and see images from "Seattle" of parking lots of cars on fire. Those images were from Minneapolis last month, not even from Seattle. As another nearby commenter said, last week when the police were here gassing us, throw…

On the right, I am seeing: - It's called Antifastan - Warlord Raz is prone to violent outbursts, and is an AirBnb Superhost. - There are open carries with automatic rifles. They get the most respect. - Laughing out loud at an attempt to create a vegetable garden. Didn't appear promising. - Laughing harder at a cry for 'please send vegan meats and soy products, the homeless took all the food!' My thinking is, the trut…

they're just supremely bored, hateful, paranoid people with literally nothing to do but read outright fraudulent "news" reports, never critically thinking about it but just riding dopamine hits.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by cylinder »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #229

I lived in Seattle Capitol Hill (Harvard Ave by SCCC) area for 10 years and left the state in 2010. I went back a few years ago for a visit and it looked like the homeless population had doubled in the time since. All of King and Pierce counties are completely overrun by homelessness and drug addiction. I remember it was a big deal when they would go sweep out "The Jungle" tent city under I-5 at Beacon Hill. Now they…

What is your example of a "useful" government in the US?

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Post by mauflows »

joshuamorton wrote: post #279
Animats wrote: post #247

They need a political win on something in the next few days. Otherwise this thing fizzles out, is crushed, or turns into a joke like the 2016 bird sanctuary occupation. Some of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" apply. ⬤ "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." ⬤ "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." That's the problem with "defund the police". "We'd all love to see the plan", as…

There have been lots of mid-sized political wins for these protests. Breanna's law, Minneapolis defunding it's police, etc. It's sustained distributed action, and some of it is not real (the NYC chokehold ban), but there's still real stuff happening.

I wouldn't say a chokehold ban is not real. The jury is still out, but it seems restricting use of force can help: https://www.vox.com/2020/6/5/21280402/8-cant-wait-explained-...

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by Semaphor »

rtkwe wrote: post #241
staplers wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An amateur map of infrastructure right on the site: https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/16.jpg

There's a more recent map. It's a lot busier, but looks like they're building out. https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/life.html#pid=23

Direct link: https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/23.jpg

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by tehjoker »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #154

I never understand why likeminded people don’t just start a city? “Wild country” was an example of this, but they were bound together by a quasi religion. There’s so much unincorporated land in the USA. So many opportunities to prove things work or don’t work. Why move into a place somebody else built?

This was the old model of the United States when we had a frontier. The frontier, land owned by the natives, was deemed available for the violent taking by the settler-colonials. Whenever sufficient ferment began to develop in the US proper, they would push for a new wave of expansionism which would act as a pressure release valve.

I don't understand unincorporated land, but clearly someone "owns" it or the government wants it for some reason and the former era of free expansion and manifest destiny is over. Now we must reckon with the damage and reparations owed to Native Americans.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by TomMarius »

kf wrote: post #47
tomschlick wrote: post #33

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Then stop electing the same people who de-prioritize prosecuting property crime. I'm amazed by SF and close areas utter disregard for what is normal crime wise. Most people in most cities don't have a story about their car window being smashed in and rummaged through. Every thread I see here / on reddit about SF someone mentions that its completely normal and should be expected there.

...living in evolving anarchy has benefits though. I suspect that San Francisco’s open air drug market with dangerously cheap methamphetamine is one of the dirty secrets behind the engine of creation of Silicon Valley.

Interesting - meth is considered a poor man's drug in Europe, a person with more than less money would never touch it (and favor cocaine).

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by Fellshard »

superfrank wrote: post #288

Oh, Jesus Christ... I live about 3/4s of a mile from the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone". The way people are talking about this is ridiculous. It's basically a bunch of wannabe Marxists LARPing. They call the area "self-governed" and "abandoned", but the city had workers mowing the grass at Cal Anderson Park, two days after it was "established". There are cops sitting like 10 blocks away in case things get out of hand…

Pretty much. It's not so much a reason to panic as it is to laugh kinda hysterically, frankly. It's a great comedy show for people with a shred of common sense and a grasp of reality. So long as it doesn't tip into tragedy.
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