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Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by logicprog »

jacobush wrote: post #17
albybisy wrote: post #6

From Wikipedia: Animal Farm by G.Orwell "The book tells the story of a group of farm animals who rebel against their human farmer, hoping to create a society where the animals can be equal, free, and happy. Ultimately, however, the rebellion is betrayed, and the farm ends up in a state as bad as it was before, under the dictatorship of a pig named Napoleon." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

I thought you meant the US in general. Because that checks out. It has a Bill of Rights. And the Police has another, better Bill of Rights. Some animals are more equal than others.

See my above comment. We should have basically made the police equal to all other citizens (with the increase in self- and other- defense abilities that are required for the general public to make that possible), where the only difference is that the police are actively doing defense as a job. And police should be sued and arrested just like everyone else is.

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Post by remarkEon »

dragonwriter wrote: post #153
remarkEon wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also extraordinarily unpopular, across the ideological spectrum[1]. >...which has fairly rapidly recently moved from the fringes to the mainstream of debate, and it is a policy openly and actively being discussed by many local governments, and already committed to by the Minneapolis City Council. >but the Overton Window on that issue just underwent and sudden and massive shift. Well you're right about that. Beca…

“Cut funding for police departments”, that is shown in that poll isn't what the dismantle/abolish is about (it's not even a fair portrayal what “defund” is centrally about, which is shifting funding from PDs to alternative services .) And that poll is from near the beginning of the recent protests. More recent polling shows much higher support for both “defund” and “dismantle” than what that poll found for it's lopsi…

Yes, there exists nuance to the "defund the police" stance (though a lot less on the whole "abolish" the police position). My point is that many people have essentially been gaslit into thinking this has widespread support. It does not, regardless of whatever nuance exists.

From your article:

>For example, 39% of respondents supported proposals “to completely dismantle police departments and give more financial support to address homelessness, mental health, and domestic violence.”

So, only 39% of respondents support "dismantling" (notice the specific word choice here) and essentially creating, out of thin air I guess, another organization that would obviously have a license to engage in violence if their charter includes dealing with domestic violence. This is an echo chamber proposal if there ever was one.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by Riight »

Pfhreak wrote: post #40
jerf wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not even remotely "by all accounts". There are plenty of accounts that isn't "cool and unique" but is just another place ruled by violent thugs: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/h077uv/raz_simone_... I'm not passing judgment yet since the days are young and the political bias on the ground is thick in both directions. But it is definitely not "by all accounts". But my personal bias on the table is that y…

I watched that video, I saw someone coming in and defacing peoples homes. The people filming asked if they had permission, then asked the person to stop. The person refused to stop painting and pushed the group of folks and there was a scuffle that ended with the tagger walking away. Aside, intentionally or unintentionally, calling a group of predominantly black people "thugs" is a common dog whistle.

Correct, call the looters and rioters pieces of shit. Not thugs, not protestors.

Pieces of shit.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by libria »

elicash wrote: post #105
conroy wrote: post #84

A friend lives in Seattle and texted me today about his visit last night: > I was there last night and it's such a cool pseudo utopian place > The media coverage of it is WILD > People on the internet are convinced it's protected by armed guards and people are dying of hunger and instead its...like a music festival campground > There are speakers, musicians, art walls. I took a group pic for a bunch of black guys las…

Sounds a lot like Occupy

That comparison kinda worries me. Occupy had some hygiene issues and did not have a coronavirus to worry about.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by ragona »

klyrs wrote: post #160
pera wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The media coverage of it is WILD I live 7 blocks away from "the zone" and can confirm, I have never in my life seen anything alike in this regard. The scale of the misinformation being spread in social networks and news media reached a level I couldn't believe possible before. Seriously, it's beyond absurd. If anyone is interested, I have been taking some pictures of the ongoing protests (including a few of the zon…

Were you around for Occupy, can you compare?

Very similar.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by rglover »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #154

I never understand why likeminded people don’t just start a city? “Wild country” was an example of this, but they were bound together by a quasi religion. There’s so much unincorporated land in the USA. So many opportunities to prove things work or don’t work. Why move into a place somebody else built?

When you ran away from home, why did you go to your Grandma's house?

Because you were a child.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by goodmattg »

The comparison to Freetown Christinia is thought provoking, but the key difference seems to be that Capital Hill has been a trendy part of town with new apartments going up and rents increasing for the last decade, whereas Christinia was originally an abandoned site.

I don't question the resolve or peaceful intentions of the people currently occupying CHAZ, but instead the patience of property managers, local residents, and local businesses (though closed due to COVID-19).

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by michaelmrose »

joeyspn wrote: post #151

Seems like GenZ is having their occupy moment. The police is probably just waiting for them to get tired and go home. In few weeks back to "normal".

There is a persistent desire to suck the funds out of the police force budget and redirect the money to things the community values. This unlike occupy is a tangible goal and if people only elect people willing to give it to them it will happen regardless of what people outside of Seattle want.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by thisiszilff »

yborg wrote: post #103
malandrew wrote: post #79

Two fascinating observations I've seen others have point out that are worth pondering: - One of the first things they did after seizing six city blocks is setting up a border and controlling who enters the CHAZ - How would the media have reacted if right-wing groups had commandeered several city blocks of any American city? This is super interesting to watch unfold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_Nati...

The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge doesn't appear to be in the middle of a city.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by admax88q »

nikkwong wrote: post #109
Minor49er wrote: post #18

Seattle doesn't want to be beaten by Minneapolis to becoming the next Detroit

Yes, I'm personally very worried about this as someone who is heavily invested in the real estate market here. The issue of how to deal with the rapid growth in the city is multifaceted and it's difficult to pitch a stance on. At the very least, you could easily make an argument that a rising tide does not lift all boats; i.e. many people are personally not benefiting much from the tech-boom in the area. On the other…

> It seems like thusfar the city council has done a good job at striking a balance;

I'm not from the area, but the sheer amount of anger and enthusiasm that has fueled these protests suggests that the city council has not been striking an appropriate balance.

Happy middle class people don't tend to riot and try to start new societies.

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