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Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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You can simply multiply that sum by 100 or 1000 and ask yourself how would you react if the same happened to you. In this order: 1) you buy several Pepsi 2) you discover you won 40 million 3) you discover everyone else won 40 million 4) it is explained to you that there was a mistake and you can get 100 dollars as a refund. 5) you start burning cars and throwing bombs together with all the others because each really…

No you can't multiply it by a number and say it's comparable... If I don't win 40 million, I'll still have a warm apartment, a well paid job, a car, electronic toys, and a vague plan of a leisure trip to Iceland after this whole pandemic blows over. Once in a while I'll say "Fuck, at one point I thought I was a multi-millionaire, but it was a mistake!", and I'd be able to distract myself by, I don't know, playing Xbo…

Yeah, ok. So what did they want? Pepsi Cola paying $40k to every person in the country? Really?

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However, a computer glitch with one of Pepsi’s vendors caused them to manufacture 800,000 bottles with the number “349” on the bottle cap.

>> The number “349” was the $40,000 winning number.

>> Pepsi had explicitly told its vendor factories not to print this number at all. The two bottles with that number would be specially manufactured and sent to the Philippines by Pepsi themselves.

The lucky number that Pepsi had explicitly asked not to be printed not only got printed, but got printed in 800,000 caps?

I'm going to wildly speculate here but I'm willing to bet this was no "computer glitch" and someone did it on purpose. Perhaps a disgruntled employee, perhaps someone with good old hacker ethics, like those of Melvin Kaye:

The story as written by Nather involved Kaye's work on rewriting a blackjack program from the LGP-30 to a newer Royal McBee system, the RPC-4000; company sales executives had requested to modify the program so that they could flip a front panel switch and cause the program to lose (and the user to win). Kaye reluctantly acceded to the request, but to his own delight, he got the test wrong, and the switch would instead cause the program to win every time (and the user to lose).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Mel

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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I've always looked at it this way "things must be pretty bad if lighting yourself on fire sounds like a better alternative then living" I dont need to understand the particulars beyond that.

I think there are two ways to approach thinking about dramatic acts like self-immolation, rioting, looting, stealing, etc. One way is to think "wow, those people have had very different experiences from me, to drive them to do that." I'd put your reply in that category and I prefer this. It recognizes shared commonality among people, which is a good place to start for constructive change. The other way is to think "w…

self immolation is nothing like those others. i can easily loot or steal or vandalize. i'm not holy. but people who self immolate are exactly that.

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I think there are two ways to approach thinking about dramatic acts like self-immolation, rioting, looting, stealing, etc. One way is to think "wow, those people have had very different experiences from me, to drive them to do that." I'd put your reply in that category and I prefer this. It recognizes shared commonality among people, which is a good place to start for constructive change. The other way is to think "w…

I try to look for primary intent. If somebody is advocating awareness of something worthy of their passion I can empathize with that advocacy even during times I may disagree with the subject advocated. I find it harder to empathize with people who are stealing designer handbags and claiming it’s a form of protest. I just see self enrichment (theft) as the primary motive and then a lie as a qualifier. To me that resu…

Personally, I see the very existence of a designer handbag store as a clear indication of a system that is broken to the core - an insult to unselfish people everywhere.

A designer handbag store to me perfectly exlemplifies a completely broken tax system and citizens being held hostage by a corrupt government and corporations defending their interests.

I sympathize with people who would want to damage that system in any way available to them.

I wouldn't do that particular act myself, but I also recognize that I've been very lucky to not have been one of the people who has suffered at the hands of such a broken system. Lucky I had good parents, good health and good education. The system has failed others, and shows no signs of self-correction without intervention.

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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However, a computer glitch with one of Pepsi’s vendors caused them to manufacture 800,000 bottles with the number “349” on the bottle cap. >> The number “349” was the $40,000 winning number. >> Pepsi had explicitly told its vendor factories not to print this number at all. The two bottles with that number would be specially manufactured and sent to the Philippines by Pepsi themselves. The lucky number that Pepsi had…

> By the end of the promotion, 31 million people had participated in the game [1]

If we assume that each person bought more than 1 bottle of Pepsi and not all the bottles had been sold by the time the winners were announced, probably a few hundred million bottles were manufactured. So it is not a remote possibility that every number got printed in 800,000 caps.

[1] https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/10/pepsis-number-feve...

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1996 in Argentina, Coke did a promotion where promised "two caps for a Ramones concert ticket" (we are huge fans here). Of course they didn't can keep with this promise and disturbs occurred: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciq9ONHj4bc (spanish)

"disturbs occurred"! I love that expression!

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I wish the article had some numbers on Pepsi's income and expected profit in that timeframe. It would really put that 8 mil offer in context. I also think a key point here is the deal Pepsi made with that local market: you buy a lot of Pepsi, and we give you winnings. If they made 100 mils profit due to this campaign I think it's a different situation, ethically, from if they made around 2 mil profit (the amount of t…

Yes I would also love to know how much that increase of 5x their market share while running the campaign was worth.

I bet it was more than the 8M offered.

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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>"Pepsi executives decided to do a promotional campaign that promised to have lots of payouts. Each Pepsi bottle cap would have a number that correlated to a prize that would be announced. There were be lots of small winners and then two huge winners of $40,000 each.

Pepsi hoped the allure of prize money would convert many of the low-income Coke drinkers. They strategically planned to give out a total of $2M in prizes."

[...]

"This disruptive campaign increased Pepsi’s market share from 4% to 24.9% in just two months."

Re: Pepsi’s $32B Typo Caused Deadly Riots

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post #166

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> stupidity and wickedness of the riots. There was indeed stupidity and wickedness but it started with Pepsi, when they ran an unlicensed lottery and then fucked it up . By advertising the $40k prize for the winning number and then reneging on the prize, Pepsi engaged in false advertising, and breaking a contract. If they ever pulled that in the US they'd face a hefty FTC penalty (or at least would have done at the t…

> Each of the winners, in their mind, lost $38,980 - more money than they could hope to save up in a lifetime. Yes. Then as soon as they meet all the people that have made the exact same win they must realise something is wrong, right? > Why don't you tell me how you'd feel if you won a $100 million lotto jackpot (after playing for years) and then 2 days later someone told you "oopsies our bad, here's $200." Sure. I'…

It's more likely that the "winners" would sue the lotto company for false advertising, breach of contract, and mental distress, and force a much larger settlement - possibly 1000x what was offered ($200k in my example). They might even force the company into bankruptcy. But that option isn't available to poor people in places like the Philippines.

The "multiple winners" thing "makes no sense" to you because you're looking at it from Pepsi's perspective. Not from the perspective of someone who thought their life was going to be transformed, and now it's not. Their thought process is more like "It's not my problem if the people running the lottery screwed up. I won fair and square according to the rules that were set out. They have to pay and that's that."

Pepsi marketed the heck out of this thing, gained a ton of market share, and would stand to make lots of money even after their ultimate $20 million bill. But instead they reneged on a contract by blaming it on a technical error. I don't understand why you're so eager to let them off the hook for this - don't contracts mean anything?

> the alternative being having a new ticket issued for free

There are plenty of other alternatives actually, all the way to "Pepsi actually pays the $32 billion, in installments". But that's not realistic - they'd probably just exit the Philippines market instead.

Here's a more realistic alternative that might have gone over better: Pepsi says, "We get that a lot of you bought Pepsi because of this promotion and we feel terrible. To make it right, we're upping the prize pot to equal all of our sales in the Philippines this year. After all, the only reason we made most of those sales was because of the prize, so we're gonna forfeit those."

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