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Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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The bit about the response of criminal organizations is very interesting. I've heard odd rumors about Japanese career criminals, such as commonly going into the business fully expecting to go to jail. Can any one suggest books / docs on the subject? (Preferably non hollywood-ized).

Thanks for the heads up, I'll give it a look.

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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I work with a Japanese woman she's about 30 years-old and has been here in Canada for at least ten years (a guess) and I can confirm that she is polite and courteous to the extreme. It's embarrassing to see the contrast of some of my fellow Canadian co-workers' manners they eat with their mouths open, talk with food in their mouth, suck their teeth, turn up the TV in the break room with others in there just because t…

There are disadvantages and advantages to politeness. A polite society tends to be more disconnected, less intimate and harder to make friends with in vs. a more intimate, but possibly a bit more "rude" society too:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2005/0213/cover.h...

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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I've been studying them for a few years now and will now offer my observations to those interested. The reason why there's no looting in Japan is a result of their uniquely homogeneous population combined with the unique culture that they have been forced to develop as a result of their perilous location, where there's a quake every 5 minutes on average, where tsunamis are so abundant they came up with the name 'tsun…

I can't believe this 19th Century analysis is getting upvotes.

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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High human capital, perhaps? I would hazard the educational/ cultural level of a japanese high school grad about equals that of an American state univ grad (I is one, so I can criticize). Nobody would be surprised SF State got hit by an earthquake and the students didn't loot. (The low educational and cultural level of the US is embarassing....)

What the hell is a "cultural level"? How do I gain additional "culture"?

Probably a better word for it is "civil society": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_society

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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They're good at their jobs, too: The clearance rate for murder in 2010 was an unbelievable 98.2 percent, according to West—so unbelievable that some attribute it to underreporting. High clearance rates don't mean police are good at their jobs. Police in Japan can hold a suspect for 23 days without charging him. During this period, they try to get a confession out, using techniques such as sleep deprivation. Furthermo…

For a good insight into the japanese judiciary system, I recommend watching the movie Soredemo boku ha yattenai http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0794350/

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (The low educational and cultural level of the US is embarassing....) doesn't really contribute anything.

Let me expand: The fact that we find it surprising that the Japanese don't loot says a good deal more about our own low standards for what to expect from an average citizen, given our wealth and power, than it does about the Japanese. And it doesn't put us in a good light either.

Hear hear.

Swedish citizen here and I can't really imagine any looting happening should something like this happen up here. I was not the least bit surprised that it happened in Haiti, seeing as how poor people already were there. Same thing with New Orleans.

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the judge/jury distinction come into play? Is there empirical evidence that trials with juries have more accurate outcomes? I truly know nothing about this but my gut feeling has always been that juries don’t improve trials and I never perceived that as a strange or uncommon view.

Judges face bureaucratic pressure to maintain high conviction rates. According to the following paper, it can have negative effects on a Judge's career if he appears to be lenient: http://www.rasmusen.org/published/Rasmusen-01.JLS.jpncon.pdf

Only in a system where judges are elected, like the US. Many, if not most European countries (to discuss the examples I'm familiar with) appoint judges and have had a jury trial system until the beginning of the 20th century. It was abandoned after it was found to be easy to manipulate on a regular basis. Jury trials degenerated into character trials - prosecution would try to discredit the accused, and defense would try to paint him as a pillar of the community. Juries placed too much weight on their personal feeling towards the accused, and too less on what happened and what the evidence was.

We like to hope that the US system solved this problem, of course.

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell is a "cultural level"? How do I gain additional "culture"?

I recommend building theaters or deploying Great Artists.

There are some wonders with empire wide effects that may be a cheaper way to improve culture. Look into those. One may argue RL Japan has a lot of those: the Shinto shrines, the temples, the castles.

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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So little looting? Hate to burst your bubble, but the Japanese news is full of scammers pocketing money "for earthquake victims", people stealing from charity boxes, and looting. Yes, looting. I can't find many news articles other than in Japanese, but here we go. Just use Google translate ( http://translate.google.com/ ). Since the earthquake, there were over 250 cases of looting in Sendai alone. http://www.jiji.com…

While that is true, I think the looting cases there could be viewed as an exception, as compared to widespread looting that happens just after natural disaster anywhere else in the world.

Re: Why so little looting in Japan? It's not just about honesty.

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post #26
post #9

They're good at their jobs, too: The clearance rate for murder in 2010 was an unbelievable 98.2 percent, according to West—so unbelievable that some attribute it to underreporting. High clearance rates don't mean police are good at their jobs. Police in Japan can hold a suspect for 23 days without charging him. During this period, they try to get a confession out, using techniques such as sleep deprivation. Furthermo…

How does the judge/jury distinction come into play? Is there empirical evidence that trials with juries have more accurate outcomes? I truly know nothing about this but my gut feeling has always been that juries don’t improve trials and I never perceived that as a strange or uncommon view.

"How does the judge/jury distinction come into play? Is there empirical evidence that trials with juries have more accurate outcomes?"

Juries may be less accurate and the OP's point still stands - there's a difference. I can easily imagine that juries tend to convict less often. That doesn't mean they're more accurate.

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