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Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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GVIrish wrote: post #175
leereeves wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News agencies shouldn't report that because the Senator didn't say that. He made it very clear he was talking about rioters and looters, not protestors: > Those excuses are built on a revolting moral equivalence of rioters and looters to peaceful, law-abiding protesters. A majority who seek to protest peacefully shouldn’t be confused with bands of miscreants. And nowhere in the op-ed did he call for murdering or kill…

When someone advocates for "taking no quarter", they're advocating for killing people. You may say the average person doesn't interpret that phrase that way, but a former Army captain like Cotton knows full well what it means. The thing about the whole argument of, 'we only advocate cracking down on rioters and looters' is how is someone supposed to get that distinction right in the fog of a chaotic situation? Arrest…

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Post by 082349872349872 »

bregma wrote: post #151

The highest authority in the country directed police to dominate the public. This is how they dominate the public: fear, intimidation, the deployment of chemical weapons and physical violence against crowds, the 3 AM knock on the door. Next come the targeted killings, roving death squads, and the mothers of the disappeared protesting in public squares. It's alomost like an international standard being followed to the…

Still hoping I won't have to reevaluate my amateur Brandenberg analysis: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23349804 (the US military is now even less of a concern, but I'd forgotten about all the other groups in-country, awash in small arms and light weapons)

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Post by jacobush »

gpm wrote: post #145
MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great that German police are trained to react that way. But American police are not. American police are trained to prioritize their own safety and survival above the safety and survival of suspects or even innocent bystanders. There's no consideration of intention or what information people are acting on - if there's a potentially lethal threat to the policeman, it must be dominated and suppressed. So yes, wi…

Being trained to break the law does not (legally) justify breaking the law. I'm not sure if shooting someone in "self defense" who is legally shooting at you is illegal under US law, it's an interesting thought though.

There's precedent to say its legal to return fire.

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #52

I find it very telling about the state of policing in the US when the law enforcement community knows they have the world's eyes on them, and they have the audacity to put that someone who was killed had 0 injuries. It doesn't help that the cops had the wrong address, and the person they were looking for was already in custody.

Or the fact that they were serving a no-knock warrant. The only reason for a no-knock warrant is to prevent destruction of evidence, which means, practically, flushing drugs down the toilet. Well, if this kind of situation is the result of no-knock raids in society, I'm fine with missing some convictions because drugs got flushed. No-knock raids shouldn't exist. Neither should the "war on drugs."

In this case, they were supposedly looking for a person. They would have surrounded the place. It's not like he could have vanished into thin air between the time they knocked and then had to force their way in. No-knock raids should never be used for arrest warrants anyway! It's insane to think that supposedly responsible, intelligent representatives in our government have led us to the legal situation under which this occurred in the first place.

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Post by nodox92 »

This is sensationalist nonsense.

The narrative is mostly blank because the media probably couldn’t get the full narrative as it’s an ongoing investigation and thus not subject to open records. It looks like they only got the public narrative [1] which simply states “PIU Investigation” and are pretending to be shocked. In any case, you would expect most details to be contained in supplements or the case file, not the initial incident report narrative.

The forced entry checkbox and injuries only have meaning in the context of an offense and “Death Investigation” isn’t a reportable offense or incident, it’s just a placeholder. When they have a finding (justifiable or criminal homicide) then they’ll either complete a supplement or generate a new incident which will need to have certain flags and drop-down options set correctly for reporting.

That any of this is being used as some sort of evidence of a cover-up is ridiculous.

[1] https://www.scribd.com/document/465105285/Breonna-Taylor-Inc...

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Post by justaguyhere »

kcolford wrote: post #164
Mirioron wrote: post #155

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> A Policeman died, the guy dropped his gun immediately after police identified themselves. Can you actually believe them though? What if the intruder does what the shooter in Canada did and impersonates the police?

This is my problem with police in general. They supposedly have all sorts of special privileges yet it's so easy to impersonate them. The only way to reliably identify a cop is by calling 911. Especially if you're driving. So I don't understand how you're ever supposed to believe someone's a police officer just because a home invader says so.

I remember reading a case where a woman was pulled over by a cop, in a pitch black area at night. She drove another mile or so before stopping when she found some light. She was arrested for "not stopping" or something along those lines. The case was dismissed, but she mentioned it took a toll on her.

We can have all the guns and take all the precautions but these kind of incidents will continue to happen. The only way is to hire better people to the police force and more importantly train them better. Above all, have proper social support.

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Post by Notre1 »

magnusss wrote: post #27
hkai wrote: post #21

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Still, would you agree that the wording of the article tries to create an impression that the police fired first, and tries to downplay the fact that the boyfriend fired first? I do not disagree that the police was wrong to storm the place, but I think that given the well-known bias of NYT, they are trying to create more rage in the community by creating an impression that the police fired first.

Exactly this. The single most important question with a shootout is “Who fired the first shot?” The Times clearly misleads the reader to think the police fired first after a “brief confrontation,” only later to reveal that this confrontation was the police being shot at by the boyfriend. The fact that the Times did not report the sequence of shots in that straightforward way (in the purportedly dispassionate “What Ha…

One could say that the more important question is: Why are there armed persons at the location in question?

If the police had not been there at all, or had been issued a standard warrant, the the "who shot first" issue is not a question that needs to be asked.

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Post by DominikD »

rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

I don't think I've seen anything covered by NYT in the past few moths to a year or two that wasn't misrepresenting things. BLM coverage, before that epi coverage, before that many other things (remember how they portrayed Naomi Wu using pejoratives that edgelords use? I do.)

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Post by jessaustin »

codezero wrote: post #44
jessaustin wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a scenario where I think many objective individuals would agree a no-knock warrant would make sense, so I can agree that they might be useful. There is a danger in this tabula rasa sort of thinking. If we think only of imaginary scenarios and "in theory this is how it works", we're likely to ignore the very real consequences of this awful practice. Ms Taylor isn't the first person to die in this situati…

Thanks for that comment, and while I didn't mean to make my comment come across as broadly accepting of "good willed police authority", it totally reads that way, and I can't say that I didn't mean that in my head! I hope folks read your comment and follow the link, it's worth the read.

Thanks for conversing in such a friendly and reasonable way. b^)
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