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Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by dmitriid »

JamesBarney wrote: post #71
newacct583 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Were they not supposed to shoot back when Taylor’s boyfriend shot at them? How about: they should be held responsible for the preventable death of this woman in a situation they directly and deliberately created? Is that not the problem? I don't think anyone is demanding a first degree murder conviction here. They didn't walk in with the intent to kill her. But they sure as shit did kill her, and it's all their fau…

Is the bad guy a couple of cops who we hold to the impossible standard of not returning fire? Or are no-knock warrants the bad guy which routinely cause deaths for the sole purpose of keeping some drugs from being flushed down the toilet? Because one of these is very easy to fix and would 100% mean Taylor would still be alive. The other would be super difficult to fix and who knows if it would have saved her life.

> Is the bad guy a couple of cops who we hold to the impossible standard of not returning fire?

- People in plain clothes

- Knock down a door to an apartment

- In a country where people legally own guns

- In a country where "If they (robbers/burglars) come for me, they will get shot" is a thing

how is it an impossible standard to expect that someone will shoot at them for essentially being burglars?

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by TomK32 »

What happened to "THIS IS THE POLICE, OPEN UP" along with banging the door?

The only situation where I understand a no-knock warrant is like when the police is actually targeting someone's computer and don't want to go through all the hustle of cracking the password.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

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Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by gpderetta »

mistermann wrote: post #87
eitland wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Welcome to hacker news, this must not be a surprise. I've been here for over ten years in some form or another so it is no surprise by now :-) In fact while I really like HN I sometimes have to laugh at the voting patterns here. E.g. Last week I think I got a bunch of downvotes for describing my first hand experience with something that everyone was suddenly an expert on :-) > I’m a “new” manager, and I am a terrib…

HN is one of the highest concentrations of intelligence on the planet, and much could be learned from voting patterns of this demographic. But as far as I can tell, keeping the peace is all that matters. Social good is for other people to do, always and everywhere.

I don't know about intelligence, but we certainly have big egos!

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by Kiro »

bilbo0s wrote: post #80
alkibiades wrote: post #69

and not a single shred of evidence it was racially motivated rather than an accident having to do with the fact that her boyfriend shot a police officer

Just, Devil's Advocate, but do you think the accident could have been the police kicking in the door of the wrong apartment? The boyfriend shooting at the police does not seem accidental, nor does it seem in any way wrong to my mind. If the officers had kicked in the door of the right apartment, the boyfriend would not have tried to take the officers out. Again, a completely appropriate and well reasoned response in…

> If you enter private property forcibly, you should expect to be shot at.

For someone outside the US this is such a crazy statement.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by berdario »

rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

> Obviously nobody expects the police not to shoot back when fired upon.

I do.

They should temporarily cover to safety, understand the situation, announce themselves and attempt to de-escalate.

Only if gunfire persist after that, it's reasonable to use deadly force. That's the LAST thing they should do (because in fact, mistakes at that point will be final, with mortal consequences)

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by fiblye »

Kiro wrote: post #105
bilbo0s wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just, Devil's Advocate, but do you think the accident could have been the police kicking in the door of the wrong apartment? The boyfriend shooting at the police does not seem accidental, nor does it seem in any way wrong to my mind. If the officers had kicked in the door of the right apartment, the boyfriend would not have tried to take the officers out. Again, a completely appropriate and well reasoned response in…

> If you enter private property forcibly, you should expect to be shot at. For someone outside the US this is such a crazy statement.

If the point of contention guns specifically, or people defending their homes to the point of killing someone?

America has more than just a few home invasions and murders. If someone is trying to break into your home, especially at night, there's a high chance that that person is not only willing to maim or kill you, but planning to do so. America has around 1 million home invasions per year and help isn't always nearby. Waiting can easily result in the victim being killed.

The man who shot at police here was worried that someone would end up killing him or his girlfriend. Unfortunately, he was right.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by tpush »

mistermann wrote: post #87
eitland wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Welcome to hacker news, this must not be a surprise. I've been here for over ten years in some form or another so it is no surprise by now :-) In fact while I really like HN I sometimes have to laugh at the voting patterns here. E.g. Last week I think I got a bunch of downvotes for describing my first hand experience with something that everyone was suddenly an expert on :-) > I’m a “new” manager, and I am a terrib…

HN is one of the highest concentrations of intelligence on the planet, and much could be learned from voting patterns of this demographic. But as far as I can tell, keeping the peace is all that matters. Social good is for other people to do, always and everywhere.

> HN is one of the highest concentrations of intelligence on the planet [...]

Oh please. It's mostly just another tech forum.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by arrrg »

rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

What you say is obvious is not obvious at all. I expect police not to shoot back if the situation is such that the person that is shooting back could reasonably act in self defense (as was here the case).

Then I expect police to take the strategy of simply retreating and getting to safety.

Obviously that’s associated with a higher risk for the police but to my mind that is a risk police have to accept if they want to be able to execute search warrants like that. It comes with the territory.

The other alternative is to not execute search warrants in that way.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by jobigoud »

TomK32 wrote: post #102

What happened to "THIS IS THE POLICE, OPEN UP" along with banging the door? The only situation where I understand a no-knock warrant is like when the police is actually targeting someone's computer and don't want to go through all the hustle of cracking the password.

But they were in plain clothes anyway. Any gangster could knock and announce themselves as being the police.
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