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Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by bagels »

freshhawk wrote: post #79
bagels wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me it was not that it was a right/left opinion piece. It was a piece calling for the government to murder protesters which the editor solicited and published without reading. Nor was any context or commentary provided indicating such. (edit) You can also see, now, after the backlash, NYT agrees that it probably shouldn't have been published. Based on that review, we have concluded that the essay fell short of our…

Do you actually believe the editor didn't read it? That is a pretty blatant and obvious lie to control the fallout.

I actually don't believe it, but I have no evidence to support that belief. But it doesn't matter, because that actually makes it more reprehensible.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by eitland »

codezero wrote: post #77
eitland wrote: post #66

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@dang: could we have a commend option in addition to flag? This comment, and a number of other comments from both sides in this thread proves that it is possible to have a good discussion on hot topics, and I live that as I feel I have now understood a lot more not only about what happened but also how it could happen. edit: changed "can we get" to "could we have" to make it clear that this is not a feature request b…

You’re getting downvoted. Welcome to hacker news, this must not be a surprise. Thank you brave soldier. I appreciate your comment. I don’t care about HN karma, even if I do, but your comment is meaningful to me above an upvote. I’m a “new” manager, and I am a terrible communicator (and/or I have impostor syndrome). I’ve been trying desperately to improve how I communicate personally and professionally. This thread is…

> Welcome to hacker news, this must not be a surprise.

I've been here for over ten years in some form or another so it is no surprise by now :-)

In fact while I really like HN I sometimes have to laugh at the voting patterns here.

E.g. Last week I think I got a bunch of downvotes for describing my first hand experience with something that everyone was suddenly an expert on :-)

> I’m a “new” manager, and I am a terrible communicator. I’ve been trying desperately to improve how I communicate personally and professionally.

Not a manager, but I also struggle with this. Also I would be happy if more people communicated as well as you!

> Hang in there.

Thanks! You too!

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by tomnipotent »

alkibiades wrote: post #69

and not a single shred of evidence it was racially motivated rather than an accident having to do with the fact that her boyfriend shot a police officer

There is no world where the preventing the destruction of evidence is greater than the cost of life and bodily harm that's resulted from this practice. The zeal for a conviction seems to have taken priority over human life.

Originally circumstances were rare - 3,000 no-knock raids in 1981, increasing 50,000 in 2015. That's ridiculous.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by Grollicus »

rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

> Obviously nobody expects the police not to shoot back when fired upon

Well, I do. We had a case in Germany a few years back where the police served some kind of no-knock warrant, the guy (a Hells Angel) thought they were from a rival gang, shouted at them and then shot at them. A Policeman died, the guy dropped his gun immediately after police identified themselves. The Case made the news later because the guy got acquitted of all charges regarding the killing [1] but that's only secondarily relevant here.

For me the main take-away from this should be that there's a difference between shooting back at night against a home invasion and shooting at the police. Just because the police see a situation where someone shoots back in a home invasion-scenario does in no way mean they can expect an intention to shoot at cops. Shooting back at invaders is legal, and the police should not react until they have ruled that out.

[1] I suspect that's a german source, sorry. http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,795678,00.html#

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by gorgoiler »

codezero wrote: post #16
rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

context: I am a super liberal hippy. I'm really left, like, crazy. I paused reading your comment at "instead you need to go down several" because I wanted to test my current knowledge of this incident: almost nothing, I know, hard to believe, given the claim at the start. (I've been under a lot of stress at work, it's OK, I'm fine, thanks for asking though :) ) So I read the article... Here is the first paragraph und…

After a confrontation the police fired eight shots

...but the parent comment is saying the confrontation itself involved gunshots?

After being shot at, the police fired eight shots

I might add I know nothing about this case other than what I’ve read in this comment thread.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by [deleted] »

user982 wrote: post #64
lukifer wrote: post #23

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The US leads the world in prison population, compared to other democracies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_in... Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that I don't live in China. But it's pretty embarrassing for the richest and most powerful country in the world (allegedly bearing the mantle of freedom and democracy and Enlightenment values), to have to compare ourselves to totalitarian dictatorship…

> The US leads the world in prison population, compared to other democracies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_in... According to your link, the US leads the world in prison population, period.

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Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by mistermann »

eitland wrote: post #82
codezero wrote: post #77

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You’re getting downvoted. Welcome to hacker news, this must not be a surprise. Thank you brave soldier. I appreciate your comment. I don’t care about HN karma, even if I do, but your comment is meaningful to me above an upvote. I’m a “new” manager, and I am a terrible communicator (and/or I have impostor syndrome). I’ve been trying desperately to improve how I communicate personally and professionally. This thread is…

> Welcome to hacker news, this must not be a surprise. I've been here for over ten years in some form or another so it is no surprise by now :-) In fact while I really like HN I sometimes have to laugh at the voting patterns here. E.g. Last week I think I got a bunch of downvotes for describing my first hand experience with something that everyone was suddenly an expert on :-) > I’m a “new” manager, and I am a terrib…

HN is one of the highest concentrations of intelligence on the planet, and much could be learned from voting patterns of this demographic. But as far as I can tell, keeping the peace is all that matters. Social good is for other people to do, always and everywhere.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by codezero »

gorgoiler wrote: post #85
codezero wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

context: I am a super liberal hippy. I'm really left, like, crazy. I paused reading your comment at "instead you need to go down several" because I wanted to test my current knowledge of this incident: almost nothing, I know, hard to believe, given the claim at the start. (I've been under a lot of stress at work, it's OK, I'm fine, thanks for asking though :) ) So I read the article... Here is the first paragraph und…

After a confrontation the police fired eight shots ...but the parent comment is saying the confrontation itself involved gunshots? After being shot at, the police fired eight shots I might add I know nothing about this case other than what I’ve read in this comment thread.

Yep, I made clear if not in the above comment, in another, that if the police are firing shots after a confrontation, that I believe the police have a reason to do so, so I am not surprised by confrontation also meaning “shots fired by someone other than the police” - it makes sense in this context if one believes the police should only fire shots themselves if they are threatened.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by kjaftaedi »

bagels wrote: post #81
freshhawk wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually believe the editor didn't read it? That is a pretty blatant and obvious lie to control the fallout.

I actually don't believe it, but I have no evidence to support that belief. But it doesn't matter, because that actually makes it more reprehensible.

They published a story about the publication of the article and the events leading up to it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/business/new-york-times-o...

The editor in question also resigned.

Not saying it justifies the original publication, but I appreciate the way it was handled.

Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by plorkyeran »

hkai wrote: post #67
e40 wrote: post #56

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I recently canceled my NYT subscription over the Tom Cotton op-ed. Really glad I did. WaPo and ProPublica have my money now.

May I ask why? I assume this is because many people think it is better that a left-leaning newspaper doesn't publish right-wing opinion pieces, but I would think that this creates a "bubble" and prevents readers from challenging their own opinions. A reduced version of this question would be: if Hitler/Xi/Kim were to publish an opinion piece in NYT, should they reject it or should they publish it?

"A US Senator thinks we should deploy the military domestically to murder protestors" is pretty important news that the NYT should be covering, and I think there's a fair argument for publishing the piece as part of that coverage. That isn't what the NYT did though; they dropped it as an opinion piece that they implicitly endorsed.

Newspapers fairly regularly print opinion pieces that run contrary to the normal bias of the paper, but they usually refrain from printing ones which advocate violence directed towards the readers (and employees) of the paper.

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