Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
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Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#12USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…
- "Police started killing black transgenders now" means "police shot a person who has just killed someone, was suicidal and was pointing a gun at the police"
- "A boy who played in the park was shot by police" means "a boy was pointing an illegally modified replica gun at people in the park".
- "Police randomly shot an unarmed black man who was reading a book" means "a guy who was high and armed tried to pull a gun on a black police officer". (This last bit of fake news caused riots that left 1 dead)
If you don't enrage the readers, then there's really nothing to discuss.
We all agree that people should have the constitutional rights. Most people killed by the police are white. Blacks and whites are killed in equal proportions relative to the number of arrests by race. We all agree that the police makes horrible mistakes sometimes and should be punished.
The media's goal is to make us disagree and hate each other.
Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#13USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…
There seems to be a pattern of similar reporting, and I wonder what are the reasons for that: - "Police started killing black transgenders now" means "police shot a person who has just killed someone, was suicidal and was pointing a gun at the police" - "A boy who played in the park was shot by police" means "a boy was pointing an illegally modified replica gun at people in the park". - "Police randomly shot an unarm…
The US media is scum.
Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#14USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…
It says there was a confrontation first, and then explains why under the big "Why did the police fire their weapons?" heading. Seems clear enough to me...
Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
There seems to be a pattern of similar reporting, and I wonder what are the reasons for that: - "Police started killing black transgenders now" means "police shot a person who has just killed someone, was suicidal and was pointing a gun at the police" - "A boy who played in the park was shot by police" means "a boy was pointing an illegally modified replica gun at people in the park". - "Police randomly shot an unarm…
Yeah, remember when that one Muslim kid with the nasa shirt who supposedly got arrested for making a clock and brought it to school? Then when you actually finally see the photo of said clock, it literally looks like a fucking bomb. The US media is scum.
Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#16USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…
I paused reading your comment at "instead you need to go down several" because I wanted to test my current knowledge of this incident: almost nothing, I know, hard to believe, given the claim at the start. (I've been under a lot of stress at work, it's OK, I'm fine, thanks for asking though :) )
So I read the article... Here is the first paragraph under "What happened in Louisville?"
"Shortly after midnight on March 13, Louisville police officers, executing a search warrant, used a battering ram to crash into the apartment of Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old African-American emergency room technician. After a brief confrontation, they fired several shots, striking her at least eight times."
OK - so, I feel like I completely understand this is a complicated situation, not one where the cops kicked down the door and started shooting.
1. "After a brief confrontation"
This is an obvious "and cut-to," that is, I know lots of stuff happened here. I would expect a reader who isn't completely engulfed in polarizing furor to think about this for a second like I did.
2. Gunshots after a confrontation
I think this might be contentious, or where this is all loaded up... When I see "a confrontation" followed by "eight gunshots" - I actually do assume there was some reason that a reasonable gun toting police offer might have to fire after a confrontation. To me, this sets a pretty clear context.
Let me add some more that came in later paragraphs that helped crystalize my understanding and leaves me feeling like the article here isn't really as biased as you are reading it as, though, I am not accusing you of being biased, or misreading the article. I can't begin to know all the things that contribute to your thinking, and vice-versa!
3. no-knock warrant
While this all sounded like a completely legal entry, and a normal police procedure, here are my personal "let me add some context to how I interpret this" thoughts.
- If I were a POC (I'm not), multiple plain-clothed white men with guns just stormed into my apartment. This is immediately tense. Imagine how you would react. What's going through your mind as a civilian? Keep in mind, police should be trained to do a no-knock warrant. They should be experienced and cool as a cucumber. I want this in our operators who go into dangerous situations, in fact, I expect it. You can train for danger. There is no excuse for imprecision when you are dealing with life and death, especially if, when doing it, you aren't planning to deal with life or death.
4. Her home was searched not because of an actual crime she committed, but because it was a possible drop-off location for a package involved in a crime.
This feels really weak. Investigate the location then. Stake it out. Find your target and gather more evidence. This sounds rushed, and desperate. Storming an intermediate source of evidence rather than waiting for a better opportunity? Welp, it's not my job so I honestly don't know. I'm not in law enforcement so opinions are like assholes, right?
So in summary?
I think NYT speaks to a reader who is open-minded and understands that context is important, and that these subjects are complex. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit? If someone can walk away from the article with your point of view, I must be, time to think about that.
If anyone broke down my door, I would attack them. If I had a gun, I would shoot them, I wouldn't think twice. I sit here, and have no reason to believe someone should kick in my door unless they mean me harm. Let me grant other people the same right.
I expect police to be professional. The details on how this went down are not professional. It think that is safe to say simply because of the outcome.
The police were executing a warrant for a bad person who was not the person who died. How can we accept that they were in control of the situation, and if we cannot, or we think they couldn't have been, why would we send people into such a situation?
I am very flexible when it comes to granting authorities protections and flexibility in interpreting the law. I actually, for most of my life, have had faith in the system. I can imagine a scenario where I think many objective individuals would agree a no-knock warrant would make sense, so I can agree that they might be useful. I can also agree that ill-equipped people given tools they don't comprehend, or are not thoughtful enough, or well trained enough to use, will ultimately abuse and/or misuse them.
Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#17USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…
I can attest that in most of the other countries of the world, you can't point a gun at the police and get away with it.
Most importantly, you can't even talk about this case in the media, you can't sue the government, you can't hire a lawyer to fight against the government, your family will be threatened and you surely won't receive a 5 million dollar settlement that all US shootings inevitably end up with.
Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#18USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…
I also hate that there seems to be a point of view that the US police and justice system is the worst in the world. I can attest that in most of the other countries of the world, you can't point a gun at the police and get away with it. Most importantly, you can't even talk about this case in the media, you can't sue the government, you can't hire a lawyer to fight against the government, your family will be threaten…
I do agree that in many cases both sides did something wrong, but in this case I can't imagine how you can find fault there.
Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also hate that there seems to be a point of view that the US police and justice system is the worst in the world. I can attest that in most of the other countries of the world, you can't point a gun at the police and get away with it. Most importantly, you can't even talk about this case in the media, you can't sue the government, you can't hire a lawyer to fight against the government, your family will be threaten…
To be clear, do you think either of the victims in this incident did anything wrong? I do agree that in many cases both sides did something wrong, but in this case I can't imagine how you can find fault there.
Indeed, the victims in this case did nothing wrong, given the information that I have. I would probably shoot at the intruders too in that situation.
Re: Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Louisville PD and the FBI have both announced investigations and the officers involved are on paid leave. Historically, that hasn't generally produced much in the way of prosecutions. Maybe in the current climate things will be different.
The concept of paid leave has always puzzled me. This would be my choice of punishment if I am ever given a choice.